Palestine Action

Trump to the Palestinian report ‘’things are going very well for your country right now, great in fact ‘’
 
From the Guardian

“Concerns have been raised after the judge who was expected to hear a legal challenge to the ban on Palestine Action was removed from the case at the last minute without explanation.

Mr Justice Chamberlain had granted permission for the judicial review and said that he would preside over the trial but it has emerged that a panel of three different judges will instead hear the case, which is due to start on Wednesday.


It is unusual for a judge to be replaced – as Chamberlain was last Wednesday – so close to the hearing date, although it also happened to him earlier this year in the legal challenge to the UK’s sale of F-35 aircraft parts to Israel, which he had also granted permission for.

Asked why he had been taken off the Palestine Action case, the Ministry of Justice referred the Guardian to the judiciary press office, which refused to comment.”

The Judge has been replaced by a panel of three and we are not entitled to an explanation??
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
From the Guardian

“Concerns have been raised after the judge who was expected to hear a legal challenge to the ban on Palestine Action was removed from the case at the last minute without explanation.

Mr Justice Chamberlain had granted permission for the judicial review and said that he would preside over the trial but it has emerged that a panel of three different judges will instead hear the case, which is due to start on Wednesday.


It is unusual for a judge to be replaced – as Chamberlain was last Wednesday – so close to the hearing date, although it also happened to him earlier this year in the legal challenge to the UK’s sale of F-35 aircraft parts to Israel, which he had also granted permission for.

Asked why he had been taken off the Palestine Action case, the Ministry of Justice referred the Guardian to the judiciary press office, which refused to comment.”

The Judge has been replaced by a panel of three and we are not entitled to an explanation??
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If you want to win, first choose your judge.
 
philfodenswristsock said:
It's looking like there's a very real chance that the group 'Palestine Action' is going to be "proscribed" as a terrorist organisation by our Right Wing Government.

I know there will be many opinions over what the group does, some will hate them for daring to buy a 5 quid pair of snips and breaking into on of the UKs most sensitive sites, some will appreciate their holding the UK account for its part in a Genocide with their reckless attack on the PFI financed military assets.

I'm wondering if the precedent being set isn't very dangerous. There's a world of differences between terrorism and protest, even if it's direct action protest. I suspect arrest and prosecution would fit the bill. All this seems a little well... message sending. You can protest but not against that!

Worth remembering the ex leader of Isis who's currently running Syria is no longer proscribed and many other very dangerous groups. So why the rush with these kids? What's different?
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Its a slight of hand manoeuvre by the government to give the impression they are being even handed.
 

philfodenswristsock said:
It's looking like there's a very real chance that the group 'Palestine Action' is going to be "proscribed" as a terrorist organisation by our Right Wing Government.

I know there will be many opinions over what the group does, some will hate them for daring to buy a 5 quid pair of snips and breaking into on of the UKs most sensitive sites, some will appreciate their holding the UK account for its part in a Genocide with their reckless attack on the PFI financed military assets.

I'm wondering if the precedent being set isn't very dangerous. There's a world of differences between terrorism and protest, even if it's direct action protest. I suspect arrest and prosecution would fit the bill. All this seems a little well... message sending. You can protest but not against that!

Worth remembering the ex leader of Isis who's currently running Syria is no longer proscribed and many other very dangerous groups. So why the rush with these kids? What's different?
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The Government has moved to the right when 2,100 UK citizens have been arrested and detained for holding up a card with a few words printed on them.
It is a dangerous move we should all be aware what you say or print can be classed as terrorism.

Whatever you may think of George Galloway him and his wife were detained at Gatwick airport for five hours under the terrorism act, on his views on a podcast.
I’ve no idea what his podcast is about but we already have enough laws to prosecute people for any number of crimes without using the terrorism act.
 
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Grassland Blue said:
How is it that Jews, Christians and Muslims can co exist peacefully in Jerusalem, yet not in the West Bank/Gaza?
Could it be something to do with government policy (particularly hamas?).
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LOL

There are Chrstian communities in Gaza. Israel shoots them and shells them with tanks.

This article was published literally this morning by Christian Today about Gaza's Christian community - "The church itself suffered losses during the war - a number of parishioners were killed by Israeli sniper fire and by what was possibly a tank shell that hit the church." ChristinianToday

Here the Pope no less "speaks out after IDF sniper kills two women inside Gaza church". "The mother and daughter were walking to the Sister’s Convent, the patriarchate said, when gunfire erupted." Link

When not firing tank shells and shooting the people inside, Israel bombs them:

"Hundreds of Christians and Muslims were sheltering in Saint Porphyrius church when an (Israeli) missile brought down part of the complex, killing 16 people" Link

From July - "Israeli strike on Gaza church kills three and injures priest Pope Francis called daily" Link

"The bombing of the Church of the Holy Family—the only Catholic parish in Gaza—is yet another brazen and murderous attack by Israel in violation of international law." Link

Mother Agapaia, a nun who lives in Israel, explains how Christians and Muslims are treated the same there (ie not as equals). She explains how she gets spat at because she's Christian and 'Jesus is a monkey' was scrawled in a church` Link

There are also Christian communities living peacefully in the West Bank, apart from 'settlers' attacking them. Here's a NBC journalist a few months back covering a 'settler' progrom against a West Bank Christian community, which happens 'on a daily basis' as they ethnically cleanse both Christians and Muslims - Link

The Vatican - "Violence by Jewish settlers in Palestine has now also struck the residents of Taibeh, the only entirely Christian Palestinian village" Vatican news. "In recent weeks, settler terrorism has targeted not only Taibeh but also several other Palestinian villages near illegal settlements".

Obviously 'settlers' are absolutely fine to club old women round the head, shoot people dead, steal people's homes and attack Christian communities - elderly upstanding UK citizens holding placards protesting that type of thing are the real terrorist here remember. Here's one of those terrorists - Colonel Chris Romberg, he served for decades in the British army Link

Re the sledgehammer incident, the person who did that should face trial and criminal charges obviously. Doesn't mean Palestine Action is a terrorist organization.

Re the judge change for the trials - a (very obvious) stitch up
 
From the independent
Government figures published on Thursday “1,886 arrests up until September this year for terrorism, in the previous year 248 ………terror arrests have surged by a staggering 660%

Raza Husain KC told judges that the decision by then-home secretary Yvette Cooper to proscribe the organisation in June 2025 was “novel and unprecedented”. He told the court: “This is the first direct action civil disobedience organisation that does not advocate for violence ever to be proscribed as terrorism

“He said that the decision, which Ms Cooper faltered over, was “so extreme as to render the UK an international outlier”.

The court heard that the Foreign Office had advised the Home Office that, while Palestine Action was active in other countries, “its activity is largely viewed by international partners as activism and not extremism or terrorism

terrorism”.

Sir James Eadie KC, for the government, argued that it was for parliament to decide what acts constituted terrorism. He said that the home secretary had been advised by a group of security experts that certain actions of Palestine Action did qualify as terrorist acts.

The data comes after two police forces confirmed that they would arrest people for chanting “globalise the intifada”, saying that “the context has changed” following a targeted attack on Australia’s Jewish community in Sydney.

Two people have now been arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated public order offences after shouting “slogans involving calls for intifada”, the Metropolitan Police said
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Personally I don’t know who the extremists are ? The little old ladies carrying placards are not imo….they are protesting the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza.
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I’m not getting into an argument but I can say that the attack, in the form of grounding our aircraft, had a huge effect.

Extremists on any side hurt us all, nobody needs it, nor want it.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I’m not getting into an argument but I can say that the attack, in the form of grounding our aircraft, had a huge effect.

Extremists on any side hurt us all, nobody needs it, nor want it.
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It certainly did. It made the government go a bit mad with powers not intended for such a purpose.
 
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