Russian invasion of Ukraine

Spot on. Trump also shows no embarrassment in publicly siding with Putin.

When will
a) the USA wise up get him out of power
b) Europe and other countries divorce itself from Trump altogether claiming the US administration cannot be trusted.
Regardless of Trump, the MAGA trend won’t go anywhere for a few decades.

Rather than making America great, they are ostracising themselves from the west and speeding up China’s ascension to being the dominant country on the planet.

Europe as a whole has the potential to step up. But given we can’t even properly support Ukraine, I’m not holding much hope. We should have collectively put boots on the ground much earlier. Sanctions mean nothing, when four years in we’re STILL spend more on Russian oil/gas than we do on arming Ukraine.
 
How anyone can take Russia’s word seriously when we have seen just this weekend Russian drones slamming into residential tower blocks in Kyiv. Zero condemnation from the White House, they look the other way as Trump knows he can make a quick buck off when Russia gets allowed back on the international stage.
I don’t think that’s going to be as straightforward as he thinks, certainly not as far as Europe is concerned.
 
Certain posters only come back when there is something to gloat about when they think the Ukraine is about to collapse. I would question their motives and morality.
Nobody wants a thread to be an echo chamber, certainly not me (apart from the rag one!) and I’d say when views on a thread tend to lean a certain way there can often be a tendency towards a pile on when someone expresses a contrary view, but despite several prompts over the course of the last couple of years I am yet to receive a single cogent or worthwhile response to the very broadly framed question as to what a Russian ‘victory’ will look like.

Not one.

All this suggests there’s an assumption that the Ukrainian people will be meekly subjugated, sanctions will be lifted, Russia will have their money returned, will be readmitted to the G8, McDonald’s will reopen in Red Square and Russia will be readmitted to international sporting events with open arms.

In the absence of any adequate or meaningful response to this question this is the only conclusion I feel I can logically and sensibly draw, other than the simple fact that it hasn’t been given any thought, which means that views are manifestly inchoate on the subject. @Damocles had a go a couple of weeks ago, I suppose, but he didn’t really address the point sufficiently to do it any justice.

It’s a debate I’m more than happy to have, as we all need our views on any subject robustly challenged, but I’m yet to benefit from such an exchange despite numerous prompts from this quarter.

I’m genuinely all ears.
 
Trump isn't really trying.

He'll go anywhere to meet Putin and Witkoff virtually lives in Moscow. Yet Zelensky and European leaders have to go to Washington/Mar A Lago to see him. I'd he was truly arsed he'd be flying to either a European country or somewhere neutral to get shit done and would stay until it's completed.

It's all performative. He wants the same as the man he admires in the Kremlin.
 
Some sort of coup might occur, nonetheless. Even so, its not at all clear that a Putin-successor would be any less aggressive towards Ukraine than Putin is.
I can’t see this happening in reality.
If they got rid of the Gimp then Shirley it would be to improve matters?
Unless they think his replacement will have a magic wand and win the invasion in three days.
The Gimp is possibly in the last cohort of the old Soviet way of thinking. We can hope.
As for his Patsy in the land of the free. The world will be safer when he retires to hell.
 
What 8 wars is he on about?
Esspecially the ones that have gone on for decades?

Heroyam Slava.


Off the top of my head:
The War in Gaza
The War in Ukraine (that's three times now!)
The War of the Roses
The War of the Worlds
Robot Wars (All series)
Storage Wars
 
Zelensky said the US peace guarantees are a bit vague. - I.e. Diplomatic language for there aren't any.

 
Zelensky said the US peace guarantees are a bit vague. - I.e. there aren't any.

He knows he’s being stitched up and hopefully has a positive way fwd without US interference
 
This is a long video about the russian aviation industry (military and civilian), and includes subjects like glide bombs, parts, production, even education of enginers etc.

It's not a biased video, just giving info from many independent sources. It is quite long, but from someone with an interest in aviation in general, I found it quite interesting, and boy are they in trouble.

 
The only way this can be true is if Congress prevents Trump from doing what he wants to do - and that's highly probable.So Trump will continue doing nothing.
 
Trump isn't really trying.

He'll go anywhere to meet Putin and Witkoff virtually lives in Moscow. Yet Zelensky and European leaders have to go to Washington/Mar A Lago to see him. I'd he was truly arsed he'd be flying to either a European country or somewhere neutral to get shit done and would stay until it's completed.

It's all performative. He wants the same as the man he admires in the Kremlin.
It’s not easy to travel with bone spurs.
 
I can see pro-Putin activists on social media promoting the 15 year security guarantee as being enough to satisfy Zelenskyy - however we are coming up on the 12th anniversary of the invasion of Crimea so clearly in 3 years time Putin will say thats the 15 years done in his eyes and its back as you were fighting and killing - he's too much of a shifty **** to be trusted
 
I can see pro-Putin activists on social media promoting the 15 year security guarantee as being enough to satisfy Zelenskyy - however we are coming up on the 12th anniversary of the invasion of Crimea so clearly in 3 years time Putin will say thats the 15 years done in his eyes and its back as you were fighting and killing - he's too much of a shifty **** to be trusted
Any security guarantees from the USA aren't worth a wank.
 

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