Greenland / Trump nonsense.

Blue Maverick said:
If he does this it’s going to get very uncomfortable for a lot of Americans around the world swiftly. I’ve got friends in America who seem to support this **** no matter what, I’m sorry but they’ll be getting both barrels if this happens, I’d suggest the World Cup will be off as the pressure will be put in teams not to attend by their populations. Unless their own people get a grip of him I see conflicts everywhere as China and others say whats good for the goose.
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Certainly, the World Cup would look iffy.
It seems to me that the US would just send some kind of force and announce annexation without anyone able to stop them if they choose to.

Then what. too many options, but it's the miniseries from hell. Let's see:
Denmark have the first decision to make. They surely have to protest and call a NATO meeting to resolve it. I assume they would demand reversal. The US don't attend.
The EU countries presumably back Denmark, or risk more fracturing.
The UK would have a decision to make - Europe or the US. I think they'd go with Europe. Anything connected with Trump is immediately toxic.
Canada has to work out what it's best interests are - and that's not going to be with Trump's US.
At that point, dominoes start falling all over the place. If (ok, when) the US refuse, I think the EU forces actively mobilise towards entering Ukraine. Trump pulls out of NATO officially.
The EU and UK countries announce that they will withdraw from the World Cup unless the US withdraw from Greenland.
At the same time, the world of finance goes into overdrive, as the dollar and euro are in opposition. National budgeting is binned as the change and governments are unchained from prior pledges. Transatlantic travel becomes chaotic.
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I think Trump will duck though. It's posturing to get concessions. The damage to all the billionaires would be a great risk, and China may not be able to resist destabilising the dollar.

Just wait for the second series.
 
hilts said:
Outside of please don't what resistance would you expect ?
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I feel like some of you lads aren't seeing how major wars have started. Nobody wants them to happen. They happen because there's a legal treaty that has been breached and there's no option. Both the first and second world wars started reluctantly. It's "nothing ever happens" syndrome.
 
Damocles said:
I feel like some of you lads aren't seeing how major wars have started. Nobody wants them to happen. They happen because there's a legal treaty that has been breached and there's no option. Both the first and second world wars started reluctantly. It's "nothing ever happens" syndrome.
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Always helpful to hear advice on how folks should think from the guy who assured us Trump was just a run-of-the-mill GOPer and no one would remember anything he did ten years from now.
 
If this actually happens, then contrary to some opinions in this thread, I think there's no way this is just shrugged off and forgotten about. The Trump administration might have no idea where the line is, but I think they're about to bump into it big time. I hope I'm wrong but I have very little faith in cool heads prevailing in our current world, everybody has lost their goddamn mind. It's not just the mad orange ****, it's the band of dunderheaded ravenous wolves that surround him every day.

The ramifications of invading Greenland could be a lighting of the touchpaper - and that's not to say it would result in direct conflict - but the world order would be irrevocably changed. NATO as we know it would be over, perhaps replaced by something else, but certainly will never be the same.

All kinds of questions then get put on the table. China would be seriously looking at Taiwan for a start. The global reserve currency becomes an open question. Trade warring and economic sanction have to be considered. Boycotts of US events - the World Cup this year and the Olympics in 2028. In that kind of frenetic environment, the US economy which many think is already at elevated levels could take a plunge, and all of the world's pension schemes and investments with it. Debt could spiral from bond sell-offs, inflation rockets back up again. Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the consequences of the economic tumult that caused will look like a cakewalk.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Certainly, the World Cup would look iffy.
It seems to me that the US would just send some kind of force and announce annexation without anyone able to stop them if they choose to.

Then what. too many options, but it's the miniseries from hell. Let's see:
Denmark have the first decision to make. They surely have to protest and call a NATO meeting to resolve it. I assume they would demand reversal. The US don't attend.
The EU countries presumably back Denmark, or risk more fracturing.
The UK would have a decision to make - Europe or the US. I think they'd go with Europe. Anything connected with Trump is immediately toxic.
Canada has to work out what it's best interests are - and that's not going to be with Trump's US.
At that point, dominoes start falling all over the place. If (ok, when) the US refuse, I think the EU forces actively mobilise towards entering Ukraine. Trump pulls out of NATO officially.
The EU and UK countries announce that they will withdraw from the World Cup unless the US withdraw from Greenland.
At the same time, the world of finance goes into overdrive, as the dollar and euro are in opposition. National budgeting is binned as the change and governments are unchained from prior pledges. Transatlantic travel becomes chaotic.
**
I think Trump will duck though. It's posturing to get concessions. The damage to all the billionaires would be a great risk, and China may not be able to resist destabilising the dollar.

Just wait for the second series.
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I doubt it. We will raise concerns publicly but that's about it.

The UK military is far too intertwined with the US military to go against any of their operations, if anything, I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes we are supporting it and helping out.

Starmer and the UK will do nothing.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Certainly, the World Cup would look iffy.
It seems to me that the US would just send some kind of force and announce annexation without anyone able to stop them if they choose to.

Then what. too many options, but it's the miniseries from hell. Let's see:
Denmark have the first decision to make. They surely have to protest and call a NATO meeting to resolve it. I assume they would demand reversal. The US don't attend.
The EU countries presumably back Denmark, or risk more fracturing.
The UK would have a decision to make - Europe or the US. I think they'd go with Europe. Anything connected with Trump is immediately toxic.
Canada has to work out what it's best interests are - and that's not going to be with Trump's US.
At that point, dominoes start falling all over the place. If (ok, when) the US refuse, I think the EU forces actively mobilise towards entering Ukraine. Trump pulls out of NATO officially.
The EU and UK countries announce that they will withdraw from the World Cup unless the US withdraw from Greenland.
At the same time, the world of finance goes into overdrive, as the dollar and euro are in opposition. National budgeting is binned as the change and governments are unchained from prior pledges. Transatlantic travel becomes chaotic.
**
I think Trump will duck though. It's posturing to get concessions. The damage to all the billionaires would be a great risk, and China may not be able to resist destabilising the dollar.

Just wait for the second series.
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Baring in mind the WC is only a few months away, he wouldn't do anything to jeapordise that, it's bringing shit loads of money in, and money rules his world.

I think there's a lot of bluster going on right now.
 
cleavers said:
Baring in mind the WC is only a few months away, he wouldn't do anything to jeapordise that, it's bringing shit loads of money in, and money rules his world.

I think there's a lot of bluster going on right now.
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Yes, that's one reason I think he'll duck. He's still ruled by his own image and he'd lose a lot of leverage and exposure.

Also, at that point, he's committed and there's no easy way to avoid the backlash which he won't be able to control.

It's being reported that he'll make an offer to buy it. I don't think that the Greenlanders want to be a non-state territory.
 
The issue with Greenland is that with China controlling 90% of global rare earth production, having threatened to stop exports to the US, and aforementioned rare earth's being critical to the US, I'm not sure that the US can be persuaded to deviate from its path of acquiring Greenland. The fact also that Greenland is the only place a missile defence system can be placed, and the fact Greenland sold mineral rights to a bloody Chinese company(!) Is a further antagonist.

Would the US use military force to achieve this? Unlikely IMHO as European countries would retaliate by seizing US assets in Europe. But we do need to find a way to deal with this that gives the US the security guarantees it needs.

Very tempted to sell my index pension funds tomorrow. I could see a situation where Donny degrees that he'll retaliate by seizing European holdings in the US stock market, albeit that would see a massive decoupling from the US dollar.

6 days into 2026 and it's already the worst year since 2020!
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Certainly, the World Cup would look iffy.
It seems to me that the US would just send some kind of force and announce annexation without anyone able to stop them if they choose to.

Then what. too many options, but it's the miniseries from hell. Let's see:
Denmark have the first decision to make. They surely have to protest and call a NATO meeting to resolve it. I assume they would demand reversal. The US don't attend.
The EU countries presumably back Denmark, or risk more fracturing.
The UK would have a decision to make - Europe or the US. I think they'd go with Europe. Anything connected with Trump is immediately toxic.
Canada has to work out what it's best interests are - and that's not going to be with Trump's US.
At that point, dominoes start falling all over the place. If (ok, when) the US refuse, I think the EU forces actively mobilise towards entering Ukraine. Trump pulls out of NATO officially.
The EU and UK countries announce that they will withdraw from the World Cup unless the US withdraw from Greenland.
At the same time, the world of finance goes into overdrive, as the dollar and euro are in opposition. National budgeting is binned as the change and governments are unchained from prior pledges. Transatlantic travel becomes chaotic.
**
I think Trump will duck though. It's posturing to get concessions. The damage to all the billionaires would be a great risk, and China may not be able to resist destabilising the dollar.

Just wait for the second series.
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I suspect that if there's any sane people left knocking around in the Trump administration they may simply have calculated that Europe is not able to unify itself sufficiently to take any effective action. They might be right as this would require an unprecedented level of cooperation that would make previous federal European plans look tame in comparison. However this is in many ways now an existential crisis for Europe, so who knows.
 
cleavers said:
As someone who has a hobby like interest in aviation, I'm aware of quite a bit of what goes on in Greenland.

The US does have a base there, and it covers a large area, but it's not a "huge base", it's in the far north of Greenland where they have a "Space Force Base" at Pituffik (formerly Thule). It's not clear how many military personel are based there, but it's likely to be less than a couple of hundred. A lot of it's previous accomodation, built during the cold war, is likely to be out of commission these days, so would likely need major construction. It does have a near 10000 FT runway, so can take most military aircraft, and is open year round. It's basic role is early warning of ICBM, but I'm sure it eavesdrops on russia from there.

There are two other large runways, at airports called Kangerlussuaq, and Narsarsuaq, both former US military bases, but neither have any military based there now as far as I know, though the former often has USAF flying in and out of it, and sometime based there for weeks (mainly summer months), I think they retain some military buildings at both for that use.

The main airport at Nuuk (capital City) was extended about 18 months ago and can take large aircraft now, and regularly has Canadian and USAF visiting aircraft (as well as the rest of NATO), and they are building another longish runway at Ilulissat, so that it can take larger aircraft than the work horse Dash8 of Air Greenland. There are search and rescue and some transport helicopters based around the Island also, and they have daily flights to and from Denmark with an A380 airbus, as well as some chartered (tourist) smaller jets from Iceland, Greenland, and in summer Canada and the USA.

As a result of having this interest, I know there are usually a couple of Danish warships based in and around the capital on rotation from Denmark. Apart from the Danish ships, and the various military aircraft I've mentioned, I've never seen any US military there. Could the US easily take it by force, yes, but I'm not sure they would need too, because any Danish miltary there would be minimal, I would imagine a small garrison, and they probably could just waltze in any time they wanted, but they might be better just asking, and they'd likely get permission anyway.
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It's a a330 Airbus (Air Greenland) not A380. I know this as I've taken that flight.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I doubt it - the Thule Base on Greenland has been down graded from a couple of thousand personnel to about 150 in recent years. Denmark puts a thousand troops on the base (there are 9k Danish troops without reserves in total ) and just tell Trump your guys are ours now and try to land here and we will knock your planes out of the sky. Knock out 3 to 5 transports full of troops in the air trying to land and do you think the American people will support their boys beings dropped out of the skies?
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The yanks would make mincemeat of them. Missiles launched from the sea and air would wipe out any resistance before they could even find anything to fire a bullet at.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
The yanks would make mincemeat of them. Missiles launched from the sea and air would wipe out any resistance before they could even find anything to fire a bullet at.
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Strange comment, the US wouldn't find anything to fire at in the first place. Like I said above their (US) planes are in and out quite regularly, and not just at their base in the far north, in fact no real idea how many go there, as it mainly isn't covered by the radar.
 
Damocles said:
You think NATO is going to allow someone to invade and annex NATO territory with no resistance?

You realise there's several nuclear armed states in NATO right?
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They need a united show of force promptly. Trump is a ****, but the meekness of Europe has emboldened him. He took the absolute fucking piss out of Zelensky in the Whitehouse, nothing happened. He has committed a clear breach of international law in Venezuela nothing happens. The conduct of Israel is not properly intervened on by the International community due to the US but instead ICC members are subject to US intimidation tactics.

Greenland invasion is a huge escalation, I don't think he will do it. But if he did, it is more likely the Europeans would buckle, wait and hope his successor gets things back to how they were.
 
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