Greenland / Trump nonsense.

Scoobz3 said:
I didn't say anything about paying the Danes ! His play would be to bypass the Danes - they keep saying they will respect the will of the Greenlanders - hence why i mentioned a referendum / forcing a vote. $2m for each person in Greenland would create a hell of a lot of momentum for a vote /referendum. For that sort of money they would probably run the Danes out of Greenland themselves !
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I know you meant paying the Greenlanders
 
Scoobz3 said:
Don't think it would have much impact on inflation - they don't produce much anyway - it is all imported ! Many of them might even opt to go to the US with their new found US citizenship.
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Might be worth sticking around getting involved with all the inevitable new mining jobs from all those untapped minerals, which considering the location, will be high paying.
 
Scoobz3 said:
Enlighten me - you don't think Trump could encourage the Greenlanders to demand a referendum/vote and $2m a piece wouldn't swing the vote his way ... Better than taking it by force and f uping Nato. All for slightly more than 10% of the US's yearly defence budget !
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I wouldn't be so certain, if the people of Greenland wanted a better life elsewhere then they can quite easily take advantage of their Danish/EU citizenship. $2m alone buys them nothing in Greenland itself.

Even with US citizenship, would you live in a shoot-em-up shithole in the US or Copenhagen? I know which I'd go for.

Would they also take $2m and totally erase their Inuit history and culture? I'm not so sure.
 
This thread title, and what’s threatened to be happening is … insane.

Trump v1.0 was bad enough for ‘what batshit crazy thing has he said/done now?!?’
Eg ‘Mexico will pay for the wall’ among many hundreds.

but Trump v2.0 is proving that he’s going all out this time around.

We could run a compy, to take our minds off MAD heading our way, with what insane headline/thread title involving Trump will happen next…

‘Trump invades South Korea’ - ‘my good friend Kim Jong Un, great guy, an amazing golfer, not as good as me of course, but I hear some say he’s modelled his swing on my mine, said that South Korea was taken from his family and his people, by associates of Biden, bad man, worst army man ever, and their resources plundered for Woke liberal computers and cars, so I reached out and said Kim, great guy, so much in common, Kim, I see your hard working loving family and nation has been crossed by democrats for decades, it’s time we took back what is rightfully yours, and, we’ll give you some Minutemen silo’s with their amazing US built missiles, I’ve seen them, so white, so sleek, so erect, for you to point at Japan and show those scanty eyes, yes i know but Kamala doesn’t approve of that language, so it’s fine, show them they can’t launch a digital Pearl Harbour at us, not that they could, we have the power, the great US power to stop that anyway. Thankyou for your attention on this matter.’
 

We've got Guardiola said:
I wouldn't be so certain, if the people of Greenland wanted a better life elsewhere then they can quite easily take advantage of their Danish/EU citizenship. $2m alone buys them nothing in Greenland itself.

Even with US citizenship, would you live in a shoot-em-up shithole in the US or Copenhagen? I know which I'd go for.

Would they also take $2m and totally erase their Inuit history and culture? I'm not so sure.
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I think the majority of people would rather live in the US than Denmark given the choice - the US is a big place, plenty of good areas compared to bad , especially if you have a tax ‘free’ sum of few million each. And Trump won’t be around for ever. I think the vast majority of Greenlanders would actually choose to stay put.

You would only need 50 percent plus of the vote (remember Brexit ) so it doesn’t have to appeal to everyone .. The country is also big enough and under populated to zone bits off to largely protect any special interests .

Better to take $2m perhaps, than face the prospect of the same thing happening and getting nothing or even the Danes benefitting …

Indeed, I think many country’s citizens would sign up it, if they were offered $2m each and US citizenship ….

Just think of the UK - especially if it had a big unpopulated area that would largely be the target of any economic activity and potentially the source of highly paid jobs to sustain people in the future.

Anyway, let’s hope something else comes along that is less controversial to distract him… It is all truly horrible.
 
Scoobz3 said:
I think the majority of people would rather live in the US than Denmark given the choice - the US is a big place, plenty of good areas compared to bad , especially if you have a tax ‘free’ sum of few million each. And Trump won’t be around for ever. I think the vast majority of Greenlanders would actually choose to stay put.

You would only need 50 percent plus of the vote (remember Brexit ) so it doesn’t have to appeal to everyone .. The country is also big enough and under populated to zone bits off to largely protect any special interests .

Better to take $2m perhaps, than face the prospect of the same thing happening and getting nothing or even the Danes benefitting …

Indeed, I think many country’s citizens would sign up it, if they were offered $2m each and US citizenship ….

Just think of the UK - especially if it had a big unpopulated area that would largely be the target of any economic activity and potentially the source of highly paid jobs to sustain people in the future.

Anyway, let’s hope something else comes along that is less controversial to distract him… It is truly horrible.
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Taxes for one. Denmark has the highest in Europe.

Whatever you say about the US, it might not be the American dream it once was, but it's still the best country on earth to make something of yourself and make good money if you really put in the work.

If the US can promise Greenland jobs from mining the untapped resources, of which will likely be very highly paid due to the location, as well as money being reinvested from those minerals to make Greenland more prosperous than as is, a lot of Greenlanders will vote for that.

Denmark doesn't have the infrastructure to be able to offer that Greenland.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t know whether to laugh at some of these flights of fancy or be sad that some people are so narrow-minded to think Greenlanders will just give up their homes, work, family, friends and nation all for a little bit of money.
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What if the U.S. recognized Greenlanders a place (or couple of places (Nuuk, etc)) as “fully independent, sovereign Greenland (not Denmark) territory in a referendum, with the full protection of the U.S. and a share of royalties in the mineral wealth” (à la the Alaskan oil dividends) in exchange for giving territorial rights AND a $2M initial payment upfront?

A kind of “Reverse Brexit” with a sweet, sweet financial kicker!!

Trump has American treasury money to burn for his Hemispheric expansion, especially given he won’t be spending another red cent on NATO!

The saddest part of all of this is that some of the smartest people in the world have no clue what this lunatic will do next, so there’s almost no defence against him!!
 
Greenland is massive and looks to me like geographically, it's only the north that would be useful from an American defence perspective.
I'm thinking they may propose the county being split with America taking the northern half to use as a military base.
They could move those in the North to the south and provide housing etc there to appease them and sweeten the deal.
Denmark could be given some very preferential trade deals to get then on side.
Might be the best solution to keep everyone happy.
 
Greenland is huge, but a very hostile place so most of the population live along the south coast, if the population was compliant the US could control it with minimal forces. However the reaction to Trumps scheme by Greenlanders has been extremely hostile, and Denmark has also given an emphatic no. So the US would likely have to take it by force, you would think this would be no more than a formality for them, that they would just have to turn up. But I don't think it's so easy, pretty much any practical route either by air or sea would require them to cross into Canadian territory, given Canada's stance in supporting Denmark's position, they would likely deny the US permission to cross their borders, if the US attempted to ignored this it would bring them into potential conflict with not only Denmark but Canada as well. This scenario would risk the lives and safety of US servicemen and I would expect Trump's military advisors to strongly argue against it. I think military force is very unlikely (but not impossible) as I don't think Trump wants a war (they're expensive!). There is nothing the US could gain in Greenland that they don't already have access to, so Trump must have some other motive, I suspect he knows the whole thing is a none starter, but he thinks there's some domestic political mileage in making a noise about it. He'll likely get some minor concession from the Danes, probably a mineral rights deal that he could probably get anyway, and claim it as major diplomatic victory.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t know whether to laugh at some of these flights of fancy or be sad that some people are so narrow-minded to think Greenlanders will just give up their homes, work, family, friends and nation all for a little bit of money.
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I'm reading that it's perfectly acceptable to buy votes by literally giving people money.
 
johnny crossan said:
blood freezing maniac talk from the top Trump strategist

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Difficult to know whether he's seeing himself in Berlin in the 1940s or in Dr Strangelove.
Empire-building loud and clear. Don't care about the actual people being controlled presumably without a say in how they're governed. Taxation without Representation?

I wonder if he's already moved mentally onto seizing Cuba, as he seems to keep describing Venezuela as an island.

"we've totally blocked off their coast and commerce, so we're in charge" is the bottom line.
 
Gorbachev said:
Whatever you say about the US, it might not be the American dream it once was, but it's still the best country on earth to make something of yourself and make good money if you really put in the work.
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Can I ask what are you basing this view on? I think the last social mobility index I saw had the US down at something like 27th or 28th place. I accept social mobility indexes are measuring something more/different than the ability to make a metric shit tonne of money as it's more about sustainable improvement for a broader set of people rather than the occasional exceptional circumstance. Are you thinking of those occasional exceptions or is it something else prompting your view? Ironically given this current discussion, if I remember correctly, Denmark was very close to the top if not first.
 
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