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As someone who hoped that we could give the shitgibbon some nice crayons and let him sit in the corner colouring-in until the bell rang, I have had some sympathy with Starmer's position. However, that isn't going to work and in light of Carney's speech I think Starmer might need to reconsider his messaging and possibly his strategy (if that's not already a WIP in the background, which I'd hope it is).

The reality is we're out of the EU for the foreseeable but instead of viewing ourselves as a hapless/friendless nation caught between a rock and a hard place, Starmer needs to lead and lean into our role as a very significant player in this nascent web/coalition of "mid-powers" that will stand up to the bigger powers. The existential threat on the doorstep has prompted Carney to take a lead that it seems possible even the inherently disjointed EU will mostly take up too, we can and should be a major player in this and I don't think we can afford as a country to hedge our bets any longer.

In signalling this Starmer will no doubt alienate some of the electorate but I don't think he's getting them back anyway. It'll likely lead to even more challenging times than we're in now but as well as being the right/only thing to do imo, there is a clear defendable political narrative in it - something which Starmer has lacked almost from the get go. The nutters who would welcome an amphibian faced Trump capo as their overlord are still a minority, a noisy one but nonetheless a minority and Starmer needs to wrestle the narrative back from them and if he shows some leadership this could be that opportunity.
I can't disagree with any of that.
 
I think the party is already split tbh, has been for years in all honesty but I agree about changing Starmer especially now. For who? Another staus quo dull suck up? Whats the point? Let them get on with fiddling a bit around the edges.
If anyone wants anything more radical you need to look elsewhere and be forever disappointed.
They’re grooming Ange, speech classes, makeover, big launch she’ll be next, there is no one else.
 
As someone who hoped that we could give the shitgibbon some nice crayons and let him sit in the corner colouring-in until the bell rang, I have had some sympathy with Starmer's position. However, that isn't going to work and in light of Carney's speech I think Starmer might need to reconsider his messaging and possibly his strategy (if that's not already a WIP in the background, which I'd hope it is).

The reality is we're out of the EU for the foreseeable but instead of viewing ourselves as a hapless/friendless nation caught between a rock and a hard place, Starmer needs to lead and lean into our role as a very significant player in this nascent web/coalition of "mid-powers" that will stand up to the bigger powers. The existential threat on the doorstep has prompted Carney to take a lead that it seems possible even the inherently disjointed EU will mostly take up too, we can and should be a major player in this and I don't think we can afford as a country to hedge our bets any longer.

In signalling this Starmer will no doubt alienate some of the electorate but I don't think he's getting them back anyway. It'll likely lead to even more challenging times than we're in now but as well as being the right/only thing to do imo, there is a clear defendable political narrative in it - something which Starmer has lacked almost from the get go. The nutters who would welcome an amphibian faced Trump capo as their overlord are still a minority, a noisy one but nonetheless a minority and Starmer needs to wrestle the narrative back from them and if he shows some leadership this could be that opportunity.
For me, with what he is working with, Starmer has done really well. His problem is that we all seem to want strong, decisive (possibly dictatorial) leaders whilst simultaeously raging against strong, decisive (possibly dictatorial) leaders. For us, Chamberlain, a decent man, is ridiculed as weak and compliant whilst Churchill, a man who loved a fight, is lauded as the greatest Briton ever (probably rightly). After World War II, the world was divided by the USA and Russians between them. Europe decided that war was beneath us and put all our eggs in the USA basket for defence. We, Europe, have been incredidbly naive and seemingly spellbound with self satisfaction at how civilised we are. Well, here we are, waiting with bated breath for every utterance from Trump. We have been weak and stupid but it's not Starmers fault.
 
I thank christ we don't have Boris Johnson in charge right now. Or any of the recent cabal of Conservative clowns we've had. Thatcher would have been good confronting Trump, but Boris would be sucking his dick whilst giving him Greenland to spite Europe.

Nah. He could have arranged a legendary England v USA game with Trump playing


 
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The geezer is the Manchurian candidate, both him and Reeves were cooked up in some sinister lab.
I think most MPs are in it to do a good job and make a contribution. To climb the ranks into cabinet and ministerial positions though this silly game of name calling, not answering questions, and playground behaviour is hard wired.

People bemoan the lack of interest many people have in politics but it’s stuff like this (and the equivalent stuff other parties do, let’s have it right) that have created apathy.

First past the post and the 2 party system is killing democracy and something needs to change. Something that hardwires different people with different views collaborating with each other civilly for the benefit of all the country
 
The media want Burnham.

The membership not so much.

The knock on effect of Mayor G.Neville as well....

I'm in two minds over whether they really want him, or that he's a viable rival to Starmer and it allows them to undermine Starmer.

I reckon the latter is a lot of it, as it's win-win.
 
We do not have a labour party, it has betrayed British people since they ousted Corbyn, it is amazing that the TUC still pays when everything it has done has been to the detriment of its members, labour is friends of Israel it is not friends of the vast percentage of the British public.
 

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