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urban genie said:
Abbey hey and Gorton with probaably stay labour, Denton is more of a reform surge threat
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What the reason for that, mate? I ask this because my mum is from Denton and I spent quite a bit of time there visiting my grandparents when I was a kid. My gran was also a secretary at Abbey Hey primary school in the ‘70s! Denton always struck me as a lower middle class/skilled working class area, and not the sort of area that would vote Reform in my experience (although of course it might have significant changed demographically).

Same goes for Burnage, Reddish, Levenshulme (which I know well) and Gorton (which I know far less well) - not so much in terms of demographics, which is much more solidly working class, but more in terms of their voting habits and likely intentions, allied to the fact that Reform don’t tend to have much of a constituency in the big cities. Looking at the geographical make-up of that constituency, it’s not one I would remotely expect Reform to win, but I could be wrong, of course.
 
It’s a risk by Burnham, but clearly a calculated one. He obviously thinks the time is right, or at least as right as it’s reasonably going to be, given the location of the constituency. If I were him, and harboured ambitions to be PM, then I’d probably go for it now too.

Don’t think Starmer is nearly as bad as others plainly do, but I do think he has a credibility issue which may have passed the point of no return. Plus, as I’ve posted elsewhere I feel we need someone in charge who is going to approach the US administration differently and my expectation is that Burnham will want to do that, and is capable of doing so.

Not a massive fan of Burnham personally, there is something about him that I find it difficult to warm to, but I’d say he’s done a good job as Mayor of Greater Manchester and I certainly think he’d be a competent PM.

It’s perfectly possible that his popularity will tank as much as Starmer’s if he attains office. I get a sense that we are in some form of death spiral as a nation and whoever is in charge will bear the brunt of the frustration at our terminal decline; but that doesn’t mean changing leaders at this time is absolutely bound to fail. Or the wrong thing to do, based on the metrics of our absurd and anachronistic electoral system.
 
hilts said:
Reform won't get in based on just your one vote, vote for which you think is best.
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If polanski stands it will have some in two minds over him or burnham, on this ine really the greens should be having a tactical look at it on this one, burnham. stands many who may have gone green or voted green in the GE will possible decide to go labour
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
What the reason for that, mate? I ask this because my mum is from Denton and I spent quite a bit of time there visiting my grandparents when I was a kid. My gran was also a secretary at Abbey Hey primary school in the ‘70s! Denton always struck me as a lower middle class/skilled working class area, and not the sort of area that would vote Reform in my experience (although of course it might have significant changed demographically).

Same goes for Burnage, Reddish, Levenshulme (which I know well) and Gorton (which I know far less well) - not so much in terms of demographics, which is much more solidly working class, but more in terms of their voting habits and likely intentions, allied to the fact that Reform don’t tend to have much of a constituency in the big cities. Looking at the geographical make-up of that constituency, it’s not one I would remotely expect Reform to win, but I could be wrong, of course.
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It is the belief within the ground level local labour bods, nobody wanted the boundry change tbh. Abbey hey, debdale, longsight and burnage parts have never really swung away from labour much, round my way reform and previously UKIP and the tories don't even bother canvasing, not had a tory knock on doors for the last 4 elections where the denton area has had bigger gains (and loses tbf) from those parties and fluctuates though the labour majority has held.

Andrew Gwyne was not popular around gorton and longsight when the boundry changed last election but still the areas stated mainly loyal to labour with a green upsurge, the right wing parties still gained little traction
 
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domalino said:
I’d expect Labour to get a fairly big boost given Burnhams popularity and he should attract a lot of disaffected Labour voters who were thinking of Green.
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I think you mean,
"I’d expect Labour to get a fairly big boost given Burnhams popularity and he should attract a lot of people who have had a lobotomy who were thinking of voting Green.
 
domalino said:
Starmer has had a really good week. Dealt with Greenland calmly, stood up to Trump first over the troops then over Chagos.

If he (or his supporters) block the only politician in the country with a better favourability rating than Farage because they're scared he's too popular, he'll undo all of that and look incredibly weak.
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Rock and a hard place.

Block Burnham and Starmer looks weak and petty.

Let him run and (assuming he wins) let a fox into the hen house.

Starmer’s only option is to let him run and then up his own game to dampen down the challenge rumours.
 
urban genie said:
If polanski stands it will have some in two minds over him or burnham, on this ine really the greens should be having a tactical look at it on this one, burnham. stands many who may have gone green or voted green in the GE will possible decide to go labour
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Whilst this may or may not be true my point stands, for that individual poster he can vote for either as his one single vote will not allow reform in. Its not a complicated point.
Also the big 2 have had their chances over the years, if you have 2 parties neck and neck why is it the greens that should fall on the swords? Is this the new ploy for Labour? Listen guys plenty of you think we are a bit shit but be careful here think on and carry on giving us your vote. Top stuff.
 
hilts said:
Whilst this may or may not be true my point stands, for that individual poster he can vote for either as his one single vote will not allow reform in. Its not a complicated point.
Also the big 2 have had their chances over the years, if you have 2 parties neck and neck why is it the greens that should fall on the swords? Is this the new ploy for Labour? Listen guys plenty of you think we are a bit shit but be careful here think on and carry on giving us your vote. Top stuff.
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I voted green. last election, and most likely vote them again this, would prefer green to win the seat, but if it is looking like a reform win and only labour can alter that then I will think about tactical voting.

Burnham standing doesn't change my opinion of where labour are at present and why they no longer represent me
 
Heard that Rayner has struck a deal with Andy Burnham to make her deputy PM if he gets the leadership. I doubt that will improve his chances much .
 
urban genie said:
I voted green. last election, and most likely vote them again this, would prefer green to win the seat, but if it is looking like a reform win and only labour can alter that then I will think about tactical voting.

Burnham standing doesn't change my opinion of where labour are at present and why they no longer represent me
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Which is fine all i was saying is once in the polling station the poster can vote without having to worry about his one single vote affecting the outcome. Personally I'm not a fan of tactical voting, parties should earn votes. Labour and the dreaded Tories have been getting votes by default forever.
Vote for who you wish and let the cards fall where they may. As an ex Gortonian I have a soft spot for the place.
 
Don't get the hype over Burnham.
As a resident I don't see any significant improvements during his tenure as major.
 
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