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I no longer live in Manchester so no overall view of what he has done for Manchester, However judging by the ongoing comments re Piccadilly Gardens if he cannot sort that out he's really going to struggle on bigger issues. My one abiding image of Burnham is when he addressed the crowd at Anfield for a memorial service for the Hillsborough tragedy. He started his speech and was roundly booed by the crowd. I don't think I've ever seen so much panic and fear on a politician's face. He hadn't a clue what to do.
 
bluethrunthru said:
For me Burnham's a **** - don't care what he's done in Manchester his disregard for politics because of his ego. The way the situation is now he threatens Manchester with possibly a Reform Mayor if he steps down. If he stands in Denton and Gorton he had no guarantee of winning. If he did win he then has to undermine his own Party leadership to fulfil his ambition - thats not adhering to Party discipline.

If he thinks he is dipped in chocolate and an irresistible offering leave the Mayorality and stand as an independent. Win with a massive majority and ask the NEC to allow you to join ................... thats not how he works and what he has done now is display that as a Scouser he'd drop Manchester if it suits him so he has probably lost his job anyway - thick **** - like all politicians listening to "advice" rather than having a mind of their own.
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I'm not sure he's a **** but, for me, he has outed himself as self serving and ruthlessly ambitious rather than what we all rather innocently call "a public servant". Ultimately, I'm pretty much as democratic as they come so I dislike when politics becomes about the personalities rather than the policies. We need more serious politicians rather than personality based populism we have drifted into.
 
Don Karleone said:
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Out of interest who did the NEC refuse to let stand on 2/4/2020?
 
hilts said:
Seems its still beyond you or are you being dishonest?

You come back after the election and we will deduct one vote from Labour, if it made a difference i will give a charity £100.

I will say it again slowly for you i f t h a t p o s t e r v o t e s g r e e n t h e r e s u l t w I l l b e t h e s a m e, there will be no mass or any alteration in everyone else's vote. One discussion on here and and one x will do nothing.

Its that straightforward, its not a campaign against tactical voting. Now kindly move on.
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No need to get abusive.

Trump's in power because millions of individual voters exercised their right not to vote. We're out of the EU because millions didn't bother to vote. If you want to maintain that no single vote made a difference that's fine.... but it's not how democracy works, is it?
 
Earlyriser said:
I no longer live in Manchester so no overall view of what he has done for Manchester, However judging by the ongoing comments re Piccadilly Gardens if he cannot sort that out he's really going to struggle on bigger issues. My one abiding image of Burnham is when he addressed the crowd at Anfield for a memorial service for the Hillsborough tragedy. He started his speech and was roundly booed by the crowd. I don't think I've ever seen so much panic and fear on a politician's face. He hadn't a clue what to do.
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Piccadilly Gardens is City Council responsibility.

The memorial service was 2009. He'd already announced early release of archived documents, and then the Independent Panel inquiry was set up.
 
Vic said:
Piccadilly Gardens is City Council responsibility.

The memorial service was 2009. He'd already announced early release of archived documents, and then the Independent Panel inquiry was set up.
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As I understand the CC has responsibility for the Maintenance but AB in his role has Policing responsibility for safety and crime in the Gardens in which case he does not appear to have been very successful to date
 
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Jimmieblue said:
80% … who are the Silent Majority and absolutely no one knows who they will vote for, no poll, no media outlets particularly the BBC , because they so sick of being taken for granted and maniipulated.
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If 68% of the voters in Greater Manchester didn't bother to vote in the Mayoral election, they've chosen to be silent. How can politicians take non-voters for granted, or manipulate them?
 
Vic said:
If 68% of the voters in Greater Manchester didn't bother to vote in the Mayoral election, they've chosen to be silent. How can politicians take non-voters for granted, or manipulate them?
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I was talking about manipulation by media, not politicians. It seems politicians just lie.
 
Vic said:
No need to get abusive.

Trump's in power because millions of individual voters exercised their right not to vote. We're out of the EU because millions didn't bother to vote. If you want to maintain that no single vote made a difference that's fine.... but it's not how democracy works, is it?
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Can't keep repeating myself, one conversation with one poster. You jumped in and you were wrong, go away.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It's a real shame that 40% can't be arsed voting.
As for 80% not voting Labour, just to be accurate, it was 79.85%...
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Sorry for my inaccuracy ;-)

Seriously though, when people stop and reflect on the fact that 4 voters out of every 5 could not bring themselves to vote for Starmer*, it's hardly surprising he has no political capital and his ratings are trashed after every balls up. He was doomed from the start.

* Yes I know people vote for their local MP but the reality is in practice most people vote for the party and in particular the leader of that party. And very few did.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Sorry for my inaccuracy ;-)

Seriously though, when people stop and reflect on the fact that 4 voters out of every 5 could not bring themselves to vote for Starmer*, it's hardly surprising he has no political capital and his ratings are trashed after every balls up. He was doomed from the start.

* Yes I know people vote for their local MP but the reality is in practice most people vote for the party and in particular the leader of that party. And very few did.
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I think he’s a gonner after today. Burnham, like him or not, would have won the Denton by-election. When Labour lose to Reform or the Greens, only one man will be to blame and I don’t see how he can come back from it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Sorry for my inaccuracy ;-)

Seriously though, when people stop and reflect on the fact that 4 voters out of every 5 could not bring themselves to vote for Starmer*, it's hardly surprising he has no political capital and his ratings are trashed after every balls up. He was doomed from the start.

* Yes I know people vote for their local MP but the reality is in practice most people vote for the party and in particular the leader of that party. And very few did.
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Only twice since 1918 has a single party had more than 50% of the vote. In 2015 the Tories had only 3% more than Labour do now. It would be interesting to look over historical posts to check your outrage then.
 
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