VAR Discussion Thread

[give it to gordon]

Since neither slob or Haaland touched the ball, why couldn’t both be yellow carded for off the ball fouls and the goal stands?

Because the dipper stopped Haaland getting to the ball which is a red card.
If the ball had still gone in then the goal would have stood.
As soon as Haaland fous the dipper to stop him clearing the ball, VAR can't ignore it and made the correct call for once

 

[Nightmare Walking]

If the incident had happened in the first minute of the game, at 0-0 and the same decision was given, no one on here would be complaining.

It was the right decision.

 

[the talisman]

Because the dipper stopped Haaland getting to the ball which is a red card.
If the ball had still gone in then the goal would have stood.
As soon as Haaland fous the dipper to stop him clearing the ball, VAR can't ignore it and made the correct call for once

Red card for DOGSA
So if the ball goes in he hasn’t denied anything
Look I know what they have said, just seems like they always look for a reason to disallow a City goal
And then they all close ranks and justify the decision
I wonder if the goal stood would anyone complain?

 

[give it to gordon]

Red card for DOGSA
So if the ball goes in he hasn’t denied anything
Look I know what they have said, just seems like they always look for a reason to disallow a City goal
And then they all close ranks and justify the decision
I wonder if the goal stood would anyone complain?

We wont know but if Haaland doesn't pull him back and he doesn't clear the ball the goal would stand.
But Haaland stopped him from possibly clearly the ball.
We moan about refs making up and now some are moaning that the VAR ref'd by the rules ! lol

 

[the talisman]

We wont know but if Haaland doesn't pull him back and he doesn't clear the ball the goal would stand.
But Haaland stopped him from possibly clearly the ball.
We moan about refs making up and now some are moaning that the VAR ref'd by the rules ! lol

Yeah I’m well aware of the logic behind the decision
It’s not quite as cut and dried as people are making out though
It’s a sequence of events that hasn’t happened before and there’s been plenty of discussion so there is an element of doubt
I mean a professional referee (yes I know) allowed the goal so there is at least room for discussion
Anyway, we won and the scouser is banned for a game so I’m happy

 

[burning blue soul]

Referees should not penalise a valid goal.
When all the shenanigans are taken out of the equation, it was a shot on target, on goal, that went into the net.
What happens around it can be disregarded as background noise.
Goal should have stood and nobody sent off.
This, I might remind the refs, is an entertainment business; and you, Mr Referee (or VAR), are not the entertainment here.
If that goal had been chalked off at 1-1 there would be a lot of fuming City fans (but, funnily enough, the football world would have cracked on without raising an eyelid, just a snigger).

 

[standupifyouhatemanu]

VAR in 7 days

Last Sunday Solanke becomes the first player in premier league history to score a goal without touching the ball, in the process of fouling Guehi he’s awarded the goal.

7 days later Cherki scores from the halfway line but the goal is denied due to an off the ball incident started by the Liverpool player.

Both decisions against our club.

YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP.

 

[Blue Mist]

A pull isn’t automatically a cautionable offence. In the case you’re referring to it actually should have been a yellow. Stopped a promising attack

You’re not getting this!

There is no advantage to Liverpool when Haaland fouls the defender.

You’re right it was brought in for instances that are clear and obvious mistakes. Not giving the Haaland foul was as clear and obvious as the Henry incident. Every body saw it. Every body knows it’s a foul. There is simply no debate to be had whether it’s a foul or not

You’re complaining about VAR , and there are many faults with the protocol , but at the same time asking it to ignore a clear and obvious mistake

Var is there to advise the referee. The other week a new referee was praised for ignoring Var, guess who suffered.
Pawson saw the whole incident and did not blow his whistle. he played advantage.
How is it sensible, in a sport that is built on goals, to rule one out ?
Im not asking Vat to ignore clear and obvious mistakes. Pawson saw everything and made a decision. He then bottled it under pressure from Var.

What decision do you think Liverpool would prefer, the common sense one or Vars ?

 

[Bazzmand Show]

If the incident had happened in the first minute of the game, at 0-0 and the same decision was given, no one on here would be complaining.

It was the right decision.

It wasn't. The referee can use some of his own intelligence in that situation and award a goal.

Haaland got pulled back first, would have scored and the Liverpool defender was never getting to the ball even with a tug back.

It's idiotic.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

This is what the VAR lovers dont get

“But technically , its right”. When i read people post that, i read it in keir starmers voice

Its an absolute fun stealer!!!
Have it for the ins/outs, but not for subjective decisions because if a ref can get it wrong, so can 2 simps sat in a cabin.
Its a mess.

But it aint going anywhere and i read itll be used for MORE in the world cup.

Imagine canceling a goal and sending someone off for “denying a goal scoring oppurtunity” when the ball went in.

Technically right, but utterly without common sense

The technically it's correct crowd on this one have been fucking cringe worthy.

 

[Blue Mist]

For one moment step back from the perfectly good goal ruled out by Pawson under the instruction of Var :-)

Lets talk about the ref and Var for Newcastle when Foden was cleaned out. No penalty as apparently he had already played the ball.
Yesterday Nunes got to the ball, kicked it into touch and was then cleaned out. Penalty !

They seem to make rules up as they go along and yet when a ref perhaps ignores a rule and applies common sense, they rule it out. Oh sorry I wasnt going to talk about the perfectly good goal ruled out yesterday.
We seem to be getting a lot of Var calls against us. I thought the Nunes penalty would be ruled out. I couldnt believe, after Newcastle, that it was given.

Now back to the perfectly good goal ruled out by var................. :- )

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

VAR in 7 days

Last Sunday Solanke becomes the first player in premier league history to score a goal without touching the ball, in the process of fouling Guehi he’s awarded the goal.

7 days later Cherki scores from the halfway line but the goal is denied due to an off the ball incident started by the Liverpool player.

Both decisions against our club.

YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP.

Erling was denied a goal scoring opportunity. Meanwhile a goal was scored!!! Which was then DENIED!!!

The referee did the "normal" thing, he lets the ball cross the line. Why wouldn't he? Erling had every right to respond in kind to the player who had pulled him back from a glorious moment. The Liverpool fouler was the instigator, Erling retaliated. Turnabout Fair Play. Goal stands. It was at that point when the match was interfered with and we did not appreciate having this moment reduced into another VAR controversy. VAR turned an epic moment into something else entirely. City won in incredible fashion but City were denied the icing on the cake and the cherry on top of that win with that brilliant ending. The decision also affects goal difference, City could have narrowed the gap in that department.

It would have been the perfect justice to for the goal to simply stand, and I could care less if there was a sending off or not. Only the goal mattered there, and VAR absolutely butchered that moment. It was a brilliant win for City, if only VAR could have just stayed out of it. But they can't keep themselves out of it can they. As far as these decisions going against City and what might be going on behind the scenes, we simply don't know. We can speculate, and it can certainly seem that way, but there's really no way to know one way or the other. Anotherwords, we can't say for sure that there's a bias against City but we can't say there isn't either. We can only go by what we're seeing on an ongoing basis.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

With regards to the liv city game... The fact that PGMOL will rule that VAR made the correct call will perversely be used to prove that VAR does work after all!

It's supporters are so blind (and too easily convinced) to what it is doing to the game.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Because the dipper stopped Haaland getting to the ball which is a red card.
If the ball had still gone in then the goal would have stood.
As soon as Haaland fous the dipper to stop him clearing the ball, VAR can't ignore it and made the correct call for once

If the refs decision stuck though it would have been a correct call too. And we wouldn't have any of this Fallout. Which is what VAR has brought, a layer of technical decisions that are not needed.

Yesterday was a perfect example of VAR screwing up what a ref judged correctly.

 

[PSmyth07]

The more I see it the more I think it's a goal. Slob pulls him back and in that instance that's where he gets in the position to "clear" the ball, if he hadn't had pull Erling back, he would never had got to that ball.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I think they screwed us over first half when they spent approximately 3 seconds checking if Marmoush had been fouled by Konate.

Konate put his leg across him and pulled him over it.

Then he was booked for a lesser challenge. Farcical

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

With regards to the liv city game... The fact that PGMOL will rule that VAR made the correct call will perversely be used to prove that VAR does work after all!

It's supporters are so blind (and too easily convinced) to what it is doing to the game.

Yup. All these shockers over the past weeks will go down as “correct” thus bolstering VAR’s accuracy claims

 

[Bazzmand Show]

The more I see it the more I think it's a goal. Slob pulls him back and in that instance that's where he gets in the position to "clear" the ball, if he hadn't had pull Erling back, he would never had got to that ball.

Yeaah spot on, there was just no reason to rule that goal out yesterday.

 

[richardtheref]

I'm quite happy they disallowed the goal. Had £25 on City to win 2 1 @ 8/1

 

[mattcity5]

Finally found the Morgan Rogers foul on Gvardiol from earlier in the season. How does VAR not give this? How does the ref not see it anyway?