VAR Discussion Thread

The pull by Szoboszlai reminded me of the sling manoeuvre in speed skating. Szoboszlai pulled Haaland and gained extra speed by doing so.

The decision was correct, but the Laws of the Game contain this little snippet:

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The albeit correct decision has been pretty much universally criticised, but look at the second clause above. Maybe the VAR had it within his powers to let one foul cancel out the other, and allow the goal, because this is what football expected.

Warnock was on TalkSport earlier, quoting Shankley, who said referees understand the laws and rules, but they don't understand the game.
 
It wasn't. The referee can use some of his own intelligence in that situation and award a goal.

Haaland got pulled back first, would have scored and the Liverpool defender was never getting to the ball even with a tug back.

It's idiotic.
If it was the first minute of the game, would you rather have the Liverpool player sent off or would you rather have had the goal?
 
Im not asking Vat to ignore clear and obvious mistakes.
I am. I'm asking them to ignore those because they've made it perfectly clear that they don't have a flipping clue what clear or obvious is. They need to learn what that is first before being allowed to do anything on it. Redefined technical jargon has caused them to think that the referee made a mistake when he in fact did not. Typically in normal football the ref often ignores a foul that leads to a goal if a goal is scored, because the goal could seen as punishment enough, or he could decide to caution or issue a card. It is entirely up to him. This is apparently not the case under VAR. And in this case it revealed a big glitch.

Pawson saw everything and made a decision. He then bottled it under pressure from Var.
Par for the course. He made the natural decision, the only decision he feasibly could in that situation. Only to be told that he bottled it, when he actually didn't, as in letting the goal score and ruling it a goal. The punishment for the foul is another story.

The trouble is that according to the VAR protocols, they apparently can't let the goal stand and send off the Liverpool player, or even card him. That's how bent VAR is. They are working from a framework (the VARs) that require them to chalk off the goal in order to punish the fouling player. Here's why. They have observed what they have decided was a denial of a goal scoring opportunity. Even though a goal was scored, despite it being scored largely if not entirely because of the dual fouling in this case, rather then the fouling stopping a goal from being scored as it were, which is the logic behind this application, they are compelled to apply this logic anyway to disallow the goal so they can punish the player. This is how hamstrung they are by the reinterpretations that were put in specifically for VAR which are causing havoc to the normal standards.

It actually prevents them from making the appropriate decision here, which may have been for the goal to stand and the player carded, either with a yellow or a red or no card. As a City fan what's more important for the season, the goal or if a Liverpool player was sent off. Clearly the goal is important. In this case *apparently* Erling's retaliation ended the advantage.

This only further reinforces how problematic and warped the concept of denial of a goal scoring opportunity is and how it's being applied to situations in ways they haven't designed it for. There are large gaps between the scenarios that they designed VAR for and the ways it's actually being used.

Pre-VAR, here the referee could of course allow the goal to stand and after the goal is scored issue a warning or a card to the fouling player, at his discretion. He could have a discussion and explain that he played advantage for his foul. But this referee wasn't allowed to take any kind of a stand on what happened. He was just given his marching orders, and essentially treated as if he had bottled it when it hadn't. It was the VARs who were bottling it as usual. There might be a discussion over if a yellow or a red card would be appropriate, but not at the expense of the goal being counted. We do not have to choose between the goal or the 'Pool player being sent off. We can have both. We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. But VAR can't apparently!!

There's an argument that Erling could be punished to a lesser degree than the Liverpool player for his retaliation but in a way that's putting the cart before the horse. As I understand it, the logic here was that the ref did play advantage but then Erling's retaliation ended the advantage before the goal crossed the line. Or that he never played advantage to begin with but just didn't blow his whistle right away. At this point, I'm not sure if the referee himself even knows if he played advantage or not because apparently no one's sure what it is anymore.

What decision do you think Liverpool would prefer, the common sense one or Vars ?
They were probably thrilled to not concede the 3rd goal, I'd imagine. Having a player sent off that late means almost nothing besides a game off for that player, which isn't always a negative. Apparently the understanding post-match was that it would be 3 games, but now it's been reduced to 1. No one, and I mean no one, involved in football, has a flipping clue what is going on anymore.
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between the 100% red card for the foul on Casemiro by Romero and the one one on Doku by the Wolves centre back (the one who got away with the hand ball)? Don't reply, we all know the answer....the teams involved.
 
Yup. All these shockers over the past weeks will go down as “correct” thus bolstering VAR’s accuracy claims
The sad reality is that yes, this incident will absolutely go into the "math" that "proves" that they are making more accurate decisions and why VAR is needed. We're talking about very minimal accuracy % gain to begin with, but when you realize that a good chunk of that is decisions like these that they deem as technically correct due to their own reinterpretation laws that often cause the wrong decision to be made instead of the right one, well you do the math.
 
Haaland had already been booked for taking his shirt off after scoring the pen...careful what you wish for.
Maybe the only thing worse than VAR chalking off a perfectly good goal after a 5 minute delay for something marginal is when a no doubt about it goal is scored but then the anti-fun brigade punishes a player for a joyous expression. VAR is designed to make us unhappy don't you see, it is designed to take away our precious moments and replace them with controversy and dysfunctional. Shame on them for doing this to the beautiful game.

But City's love of joy and for football is greater than our dislike of VAR. Despite repeated unholy VAR interference we succeed any way and press on in the battle for the top.
 
The technically it's correct crowd on this one have been fucking cringe worthy.
Not nearly as much as the conspiracy theorists every other day of the week who are now crying because officials applied the rules
 
It’s fucking wank, is, was, always will be. All the fucking shite spouted about “progress “ “it’s what the fans want”. Do me a fucking favour.
It’s hated here and everywhere:

Even managers are calling VAR or for the shit its doing to the game.
 
One of the problems with VAR is that they look at incidents and come to different conclusions to what are in reality the same offences.

If there had been a corner and the ball on its way into the box and the player marking Haaland had pulled him back, then Haaland pulled the defender back before heading the ball into the net and onfield Ref gave a goal, VAR would have not
sent Ref to monitor. They would have confirmed Ref onfield decision of goal citing both players holding each other and
no other significant reason to overule onfield decision. Pundits afterwards would have agreed stating the defender just needs to be stronger.

In this incident as the first offence was a DOGSO situation, VAR want to/need to isolate the two incidents and then the
game at that point is rerefereed differently to the same two offences described above
 
Another one is deliberate handball on the line. I would just award a goal with VAR instead of sending the man off.

That would deter any wannabee goalies in the final stages of a game and they wouldn't be able to benefit their team like Suarez done in the WC 2010.
 

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