VAR Discussion Thread

I fucking knew it.

I said at the time there was going to be a blatantly shit decision that will be used as a battering ram to justify VAR so the corrupt PiGMOL cunts can continue to use it to fuck teams over whilst keeping up the pretence of being all fair and above board.

 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
The cynic in me thinks things like our goal today being disallowed is on purpose to help support the case for VAR….
But all we want is good, unbiased officiating. It can’t be that hard can it? Especially if there is a “professional” team reviewing footage, using set guidelines..
I think, I have said this before, VAR is a good thing. They just need to implement it correctly and take away the clear bias for certain teams. There should be zero apologies by Var it should be 99% right.
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The cynic in you is 100% correct in my opinion.
 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
The cynic in me thinks things like our goal today being disallowed is on purpose to help support the case for VAR….
But all we want is good, unbiased officiating. It can’t be that hard can it? Especially if there is a “professional” team reviewing footage, using set guidelines..
I think, I have said this before, VAR is a good thing. They just need to implement it correctly and take away the clear bias for certain teams. There should be zero apologies by Var it should be 99% right.
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Nah.
Remember how bad refereeing was before your takeover and you became an elite club?
Remember when all the decisions went against you, and against the bigger teams in general you’re key midfielder or defender would get a yellow card for a 50/50 challenge to take them out of a game?

Nah, this is the standard of them, at best they are fucking shit and clueless, at worst they are corrupt.

I remember in the Championship we got a penalty, scored it, only for the referee to spend 5 minutes with his officials discussing the rules, ruling the goal out, and incorrectly not making us retake the penalty.
It was 1 of the first examples of the PGMOL apologising for errors in the game.
That referee is now a referees coach for the PGMOL.
 
The FA cup mistakes are intentional to show the football world we need var.

After the horrendous/corruption on show in league games suddenly without var mistakes appear…

Incompetence
Corruption
Staged

All of the above.

Manipulation is something that is hard to unsee/unhear in football. Gives us all a good moan and dives opinion which is what works best in people. Division makes it easy to manipulate.
 
I'd argue that what we've seen from Webb and his colleagues at pgmol is more than mere incompetence, it's sinister.

Neither the referee nor the linesman saw that the handball was inside the area? Utter rubbish! What we saw last night was flagrant dishonesty. If those two officials genuinely didn't see where the offence took place then neither of them should be in the job to begin with. And serious question marks have to be raised over the body that employs them.

We've seen a litany of decisions from officials over the years that simply defy logic - and we've been on the wrong end of many them, we should know.
Most Premier League clubs have been shafted one way or another (with the obvious exceptions!) but despite complaints and attention from the media, and talk of an independent body being set up to look into these things, nothing has happened. Nothing has changed. But surely we should be given some answers, some explanations as to why officiating in the sport has sunk lower than Warwick Davies's toenails?
 
The mess at Villa Park yesterday wasn't because of a lack of VAR. It was due to totally inept officiating, perhaps because of an over reliance on VAR in the prem. The handball call was a disgrace and those officials need some gardening leave for a while

Our goal is one of those that are really hard for the linesmen, and even with VAR, those sorts of narrow decisions are subject to human error (when did the ball really leave the foot, have they got the correct frame, etc)

VAR is shit and open to manipulation. Get rid, train and analyse refereeing performances properly.
 
RiversideBlue said:
The mess at Villa Park yesterday wasn't because of a lack of VAR. It was due to totally inept officiating, perhaps because of an over reliance on VAR in the prem. The handball call was a disgrace and those officials need some gardening leave for a while

Our goal is one of those that are really hard for the linesmen, and even with VAR, those sorts of narrow decisions are subject to human error (when did the ball really leave the foot, have they got the correct frame, etc)

VAR is shit and open to manipulation. Get rid, train and analyse refereeing performances properly.
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There was clearly a mandate from PGMOL to the refs to fuck up yesterday. VAR in desperate need of positive PR. Clear as day.
 
Technology is the problem as well as the solution though. High quality images from at least four or five angles will prove right or wrong to the viewer every time. Years ago this didn't exist. Do we scrap VAR and say "TV replays prove the ref got it wrong" and just accept it? My feeling is yes, that's exactly we do.

We mitigate this by having better trained officials, who just make fewer mistakes. That's how Collina defined a good ref and he was right. I'd have two extra officials at games in the two top divisions, so an assistant in each quarter.

Having said that though, yesterday's decision on the penalty does make me very suspicious, it wasn't even close to being outside the box.
 
wolviedinho said:
The FA cup mistakes are intentional to show the football world we need var.

After the horrendous/corruption on show in league games suddenly without var mistakes appear…

Incompetence
Corruption
Staged

All of the above.

Manipulation is something that is hard to unsee/unhear in football. Gives us all a good moan and dives opinion which is what works best in people. Division makes it easy to manipulate.
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Utter bollocks. You think they’ve sat round in a meeting and agreed to drop a few clangers each and look like idiots so that we all pine for VAR?
 
Those refs yesterday were waiting for VAR to correct them. They didn't do their job properly, they expected VAR would pick it up.

Lower league refs would be better at the job because they do the job. PL refs are now worse unless they have this technology.

Anyway, more people are seeing the peripheral damage VAR is doing, starting to question why our game and refereeing is like it is. How much dissatisfaction and confusion it is causing.

That non penalty at the Newcastle game was what we wanted VAR for. Not the VAR They have delivered. Let refs ref and give them assistance with tech.
 
I thought Pep’s view on VAR when asked after the Salford game was spot on:

‘Sometimes I think before was better, sometimes VAR makes it fairer,’

For a guy with English as a second language he is so clever. The use of the word “sometimes” is brilliant and can mean so many things that vex us all.

Unfortunately in relation to VAR, until Pep can get rid of the word “ sometimes” and just say “VAR makes it fairer” we know his feelings on it pretty much reflect ours.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I fucking knew it.

I said at the time there was going to be a blatantly shit decision that will be used as a battering ram to justify VAR so the corrupt PiGMOL cunts can continue to use it to fuck teams over whilst keeping up the pretence of being all fair and above board.

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Oh mate not you as well.
 
wolviedinho said:
The FA cup mistakes are intentional to show the football world we need var.

After the horrendous/corruption on show in league games suddenly without var mistakes appear…
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No it’s just what we used to see every cunting weekend which 90% of people now forget.

VAR should be used for offsides and egregious fuck ups. That’s all. Not trying to disallow every goal that’s scored. There’s nothing wrong with the tech, the issue is the cunts that use it.
 
SCEtoAUX said:
Technology is the problem as well as the solution though. High quality images from at least four or five angles will prove right or wrong to the viewer every time. Years ago this didn't exist. Do we scrap VAR and say "TV replays prove the ref got it wrong" and just accept it? My feeling is yes, that's exactly we do.

We mitigate this by having better trained officials, who just make fewer mistakes. That's how Collina defined a good ref and he was right. I'd have two extra officials at games in the two top divisions, so an assistant in each quarter.

Having said that though, yesterday's decision on the penalty does make me very suspicious, it wasn't even close to being outside the box.
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Technology is the problem as well as the solution though. High quality images from at least four or five angles will prove right or wrong to the viewer every time. Years ago this didn't exist. Do we scrap VAR and say "TV replays prove the ref got it wrong" and just accept it? My feeling is yes, that's exactly we do.

Is the correct answer
 
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