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Jim Ratcliffe - claims the UK is being “colonised”
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City Hobgoblin
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Global network of billionaires push for authoritarian governments and power grabs
Use simple fear-mongering and rage-bating propaganda
Throw in downright lies and promises of improved living standards and "freedoms"
In reality people are corralled into shit paying jobs with no rights
Bills continue to rise
Environmental protections ignored, climate stresses worsen but mostly affect those who can't afford to protect themselves against the effects
Stage a few distracting wars, trim the excess population, but its just a big carve up of resources to be divided by the ruling "elite"
Use simple fear-mongering and rage-bating propaganda
Throw in downright lies and promises of improved living standards and "freedoms"
In reality people are corralled into shit paying jobs with no rights
Bills continue to rise
Environmental protections ignored, climate stresses worsen but mostly affect those who can't afford to protect themselves against the effects
Stage a few distracting wars, trim the excess population, but its just a big carve up of resources to be divided by the ruling "elite"
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Pretty accurate and succinct take on what is going on around the world.
That's rather a grudging response to a post intended to reinforce your point!
BridgyDids
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Why even comment if you don't read the comment you're replying to?
I literally went back to the 2007 financial crisis. Are you too thick to read more than 3 lines or are you just a belligerent prick who's so thin skinned he can't take anyone pointing out the facts that Brexit fucked the economy?
Brexit Britain has 'significantly underperformed' other advanced economies, Goldman Sachs says
Post-Brexit Britain has "significantly underperformed" other advanced economies since the 2016 EU referendum, according to new analysis from Goldman Sachs.www.cnbc.com
Brexit move has shrunk U.K. economy by 5%, Goldman Sachs economists say | Fortune
“The U.K. economy has notably underperformed other advanced economies since the EU referendum in June 2016,” the economists said.fortune.com
How are our Brexit trade forecast assumptions performing? - Office for Budget Responsibility
Since the June 2016 EU referendum, our forecasts have incorporated a set of assumptions about the economic impact of Brexit on trade, productivity, investment, and migration. In this box, we assessed our current assumptions on trade against the latest evidence.obr.uk
He is just being a contrarian, as per usual.
Never pins his colours to the mast of what he actually believes, but constantly tries to make the most spurious counterpoints to anyone who does, and thinks he’s a raconteur doing so.
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Prestwich_Blue
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You can look at his ill-considered comments as see his total stupidity and hypocrisy, but on the other hand there are clear examples of what he's talking about. Lutfur Rahman, the mayor of Tower Hamlets is one example: Link
He runs the authority for the benefit of Bangladeshis and doles out patronage to remain in power. We've seen it with various police forces reluctant to deal with Asian grooming gangs and we saw it in Birmingham recently, with an official in public office prepared to lie because of pressure from part of the community looking to impose its will.
Immigration and the exposure to different cultures has largely been very beneficial for UK society but let's not pretend that everything is rosy.
He runs the authority for the benefit of Bangladeshis and doles out patronage to remain in power. We've seen it with various police forces reluctant to deal with Asian grooming gangs and we saw it in Birmingham recently, with an official in public office prepared to lie because of pressure from part of the community looking to impose its will.
Immigration and the exposure to different cultures has largely been very beneficial for UK society but let's not pretend that everything is rosy.
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If you're classed as '43% English', doesn't that emphasise the point that the English are indeed a 'race' of people? (Specifically a West Germanic one, that's 'Germanic', not 'German', big difference.)
The English, or Anglecynn, arrived on theses shores around the 3rd Century, migrated heavily during the 5th Century, formed settlements, later Thegndoms and Kingdoms, eventually uniting together to form the Kingdom of Ængleland, or England as we now know it. They, along with Saxons, Jutes and Danes (Who later formed Danelaw in an attempt to conquer the island) formed several separate nations in what we refer to as the 'Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy'. They never really referred to themselves as 'Anglo-Saxons', more Englisc was preferred. The term 'Anglo-Saxon' itself was revived in popular vernacular during the Victorian era and grew in popularity to 'identify' the English.
Isn't history fun?
Marklr
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So what do you mean by the "changes"? What changes do people see that they are not happy with if it's not different coloured skin people? Please explain what the changes are...
Marklr
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Immigration is human nature. What we see today is the result of displacement in the world. Much of it caused by us. It will likely increase in the coming years. How do we reverse displacement?
We have to deal with it the best way we can.
Prestwich_Blue
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Of course. Manchester itself is built on waves of immigration. Flemish Huguenot weavers came here escaping persecution and built the foundations of our cotton industry. Jewish immigration in the late 19th & early 20th centuries had a hugely positive impact on Manchester. Chinese immigrants as well. In my younger days I lived among Irish, Polish and Caribbean communities, among others and all have contributed massively. And there's the more recent South Asians, who have as well.
But all of those have managed to preserve their unique cultural identity while being part of the wider community, whereas a minority haven't done that.
Marklr
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Minorities of various groups. Most fit in well and go about their lives like the rest of us. Minorities are minorities. We can't use them as examples.
Prestwich_Blue
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I agree we can't use them to make a generic point. But that doesn't mean we should allow those minorities free rein either.
Marklr
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Why not? Surely they can be as free as the rest of us? Or by "free rein" do you mean breaking laws? Don't they have the same right as the rest of us?
Prestwich_Blue
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Either you're being a bit dense or are trying to wind me up, but I'll give you some examples. Everyone is equal under the law, but everyone has to obey the law, or face the consequences.
Right wingers get worked up about Sharia courts in the UK. There are Jewish equivalents as well. Do I have a problem with these? No, as long as they're used properly, where people voluntarily wish to settle civil matters in accordance with religious dictates. Where we should draw the line however is where they're failing to uphold criminal law or failing to grant people rights they have under UK law, against their wishes.
I know, for example, of cases in the religious Jewish community where it's come to light that they've cited religious law as an excuse for failing to report cases of sexual abuse to the authorities. This is absolutely wrong
Also if anyone outside the specific faiths that usually go to these places were to visit a Hindu temple, mosque or synagogue, you'd expect them to respect whatever traditions went with that, such as dressing modestly, covering one's head or removing your shoes. That's fine as it shows respect for another community's beliefs and traditions. If women wish to wear burqas or hijabs in public, I'm not bothered about that if that's their choice to do so.
But, to use the Jewish community as an example again, in certain areas of Jerusalem inhabited by the ultra-religious, a woman considered immodestly dressed would be harassed or even attacked. If that were to happen in a predominantly Muslim area of the UK, say Luton or Tower Hamlets, then that's crossed a line.
Tolerance of others' beliefs is a necessary part of a multicultural society. Intolerance or refusing to obey the laws of the land because your community believes its culture or religion entitles you to do that is not acceptable.
I doubt Ratcliffe is making this nuanced point however.
I hope your reference to Asian Grooming Gangs is just lazy writing. It is racist and i suggest you meant to refer to british groomig gangs of Asian (often Pakistan) heritage. It has had extensive media coverage a the number reported cases are a cause for concern
The recording of ethnicity of perpetrators of such crimes is not to a high standard. There is a definite issue regarding "traditional" white british people being involved with child sex crimes which is ignored by many
Prestwich_Blue
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Fair point and it's one I think I've made previously on the forum. But regardless of the semantics, there appears to have been, in Oldham and other places, a wilfully blind eye turned by local authorities and police to these activities, as they didn't want to 'upset' these communities.
Marklr
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I might be a bit dense...i just didn't know what you meant by 'free rein'.
Manchester_lalala
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I’m talking about immigration policy, not skin colour.
The concern is housing, services, and rapid demographic change happening faster than infrastructure can keep up. Questioning whether that’s sustainable isn’t racist.