Jim Ratcliffe - claims the UK is being “colonised”

The perfect fumble said:
Nonsense.

I know why this is different.

because muliculturalism is a lie, and its been exposed as such by the massive influx of migrants these last thirty years. A sizeable chunk of this country believe in the primacy of integration and the belief that when in Rome one should do as the Romans do, multiculturalism is the polar opposite of that, far from creating a more harmonious society it has underpinned white flight and ethnic enclaves. Multiculturalism is the denial of the existence of a indigenous population and a dominant culture, it celebrates seperateness over integration by denying the need or even the existence of a dominant culture to integrate with. All this has eroded the fundamental nature of the nation state and this has triggered an existential angst that the right has capitalised on.

Keir Starmer said the following this week that to be British, is to be "reasonable, tolerant, compassionate and diverse"

Who is it that decides what is reasonable?

As for tolerant....

"the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with"

But tolerance is not infinite, if one does not tolerate something it does not necessarily mean that one is intolerant, it more often means that one considers something is intolerable, a threshold has been crossed. if one tolerates everything one tolerates the intolerable and that is a nonsense, and why should my Britishness be defined by my ability to tolerate something I dislike or disagree with anyway?

Compassionate? What the fuck! We're into the realms of being nice again, if something cannot stand alone as being the right thing to do because it evidently is, then one should not be obliged to let it slide because one is compassionate! Do me a favour, that's bullshit.

And then we come to diverse, the buzzword of the age....

To be diverse means including, representing, or consisting of a wide range of different people, backgrounds, characteristics, and perspectives. It involves embracing differences—such as race, gender, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and ability—to create a varied, inclusive environment that fosters innovation, creativity, and mutual respect.

That is a political statement, one I suspect you agree with in its totality, there are aspects of this I agree with and others I do not and I know I'm not alone, but one thing I know for an absolute fact, my Britishness should not hinge of whether I buy into this wholeheartedly or not.
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So you're literally just rewording Enoch Powell while pretending to have a new viewpoint and asserting your own distorted beliefs about multiculturalism are fact. About what I expected.
 
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domalino said:
So you're literally just rewording Enoch Powell while pretending to have a new viewpoint and asserting your own distorted beliefs about multiculturalism are fact. About what I expected.
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That is such an intellectually dishonest reply.

In fact it's not a reply at all, just ad hominem

Nothing I've said could lead a reasonable person to come to that conclusion.

But then you're not a reasonable person.

How about Angela Merkel, is she Enoch Powell?

Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.

Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country."

She added: "We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality."
"And of course, the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed.

And David Cameron....



The idea that multiculturalism has failed, that it has encouraged segregated "parallel lives" and weakened national identity is Powelism is it? Despite the fact there is a mountain of evidence to show that is precisely what it has done.

Going for the man is not brave, it's not virtuous, it's petulance.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
That is such an intellectually dishonest reply.

In fact it's not a reply at all, just ad hominem

Nothing I've said could lead a reasonable person to come to that conclusion.

But then you're not a reasonable person.
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You are literally just repackaging Enoch Powell's attacks on "multi-enthicism" and erosion of white culture and replacing that word for multiculturalism. It's not ad-hominem to point that out, it's just the truth, and if you don't believe that go read what he actually wrote.

You've provided zero evidence for your claims that "multiculturalism is a lie", and there are plenty of demographic studies that disprove your theory of white flight and segregation over the last 30 years because it's just not fucking true.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Nonsense.

I know why this is different.

because muliculturalism is a lie, and its been exposed as such because of the massive influx of migrants these last thirty years. A sizeable chunk of this country believe in the primacy of integration and the belief that when in Rome one should do as the Romans do, multiculturalism is the polar opposite of that, far from creating a more harmonious society it has underpinned white flight and ethnic enclaves. Multiculturalism is the denial of the existence of an indigenous population and a dominant culture, it celebrates seperateness over integration by denying the need or even the existence of a dominant culture to integrate with. All this has eroded the fundamental nature of the nation state and this has triggered an existential angst that the right has capitalised on.

Keir Starmer said the following this week that to be British, is to be "reasonable, tolerant, compassionate and diverse"

Who is it that decides what is reasonable?

As for tolerant....

"the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with"

But tolerance is not infinite, if one does not tolerate something it does not necessarily mean that one is intolerant, it more often means that one considers something is intolerable, a threshold has been crossed. if one tolerates everything one tolerates the intolerable and that is a nonsense, and why should my Britishness be defined by my ability to tolerate something I dislike or disagree with anyway?

Compassionate? What the fuck! We're into the realms of being nice again, if something cannot stand alone as being the right thing to do because it evidently is, then one should not be obliged to let it slide because one is compassionate! Do me a favour, that's bullshit.

And then we come to diverse, the buzzword of the age....

"To be diverse means including, representing, or consisting of a wide range of different people, backgrounds, characteristics, and perspectives. It involves embracing differences—such as race, gender, age, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and ability—to create a varied, inclusive environment that fosters innovation, creativity, and mutual respect."

That is a political statement, one I suspect you agree with in its totality, there are aspects of this I agree with and others I do not and I know I'm not alone, but one thing I know for an absolute fact, my Britishness should not hinge of whether I buy into this wholeheartedly or not.
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I’m not sure your grand plan of combating the right by sharing their exact viewpoint is a goer tbh!
 
domalino said:
You are literally just repackaging Enoch Powell's attacks on "multi-enthicism" and erosion of white culture and replacing that word for multiculturalism. It's not ad-hominem to point that out, it's just the truth, and if you don't believe that go read what he actually wrote.

You've provided zero evidence for your claims that "multiculturalism is a lie", and there are plenty of demographic studies that disprove your theory of white flight and segregation over the last 30 years because it's just not fucking true.
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Read the amended post, and quit with the insults.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Read the amended post, and quit with the insults.
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Point out the insult in that post.

And while you're at it, why don't you try and find a better source for your beliefs than the opinions of David Cameron and Angela Merkel (who btw presided over a country where 5% didn't speak any German. In the UK that figures is 0.02% for English. So Germany's problem was 250x worse - Germany is not relevant to the UK in this discussion AT ALL).
 
The perfect fumble said:
That viewpoint isn't far right, unless you mean that everything you disagree with is far right.
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Your interpretation and misunderstanding of unity vs diversity I’d argue is aligned with the far right and has come across from the binary rhetoric in the states, personally I don’t want us to go down that road as we all suffer.
 
My mate said:
People on here slagging Jim ratshit off for not paying £4bn in tax…given the chance between giving it to the government or putting in a Swiss bank account,I know what I’d be doing
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Why?
If you're tax bill is 4 bill then you're earnings must be at least 4 bill. Why not happily put 4 bill into the country's coffers as well. How much more money does a person need?
 
domalino said:
I'm comparing apples to apples. Your rhetoric is lifted almost word for word from his and if you consider that insulting then perhaps you should reflect on that.
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Powell was concerned with race, I don't give a flying fuck about race.

As for multiculturalism, that wasn't even a thing in Powell's day.

Go away and think up something more original.
 
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