Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

Ashton Moss Messi said:
Whether you agree with the law or not, it could be considered an offence under the Public Order Act 1986 Section 4A 1(b).

If the sign is displayed inside the property (for only people inside to see) then that can be considered a legal defence.
Displaying for people outside the property to see (like in this case if it is displayed in a window) then that defence doesn't apply.
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I don’t think telling someone to fuck off is a crime.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
Still don’t see the issue with not wanting Labour on his premises though.
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and that is fine. Same would apply to any of the parties as well. Why the need to advertise that he is ex forces though? He wouldnt have put up a notice saying 'a retired bank manager lives here', and that is because he is being deliberately intimidatory and there is no need of it
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
No, because he has advertised that he is ex forces. Would he have written 'retired metal fabricator lives here' and the same message? No of course he wouldnt. He is trying to be intimidatory. Other options available to him were to put up a sign saying no canvassers, or if he wanted to be more specific, no canvassers from the Labour Party. Or simply dont answer the door. Instead, he has been a bellend, as acknowledged by other observers who thought the exact same thing
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I don’t think he’s saying he’s ex forces to intimidate…I’d say it’s because he fought for this country and he’s not happy at the state of it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'll repeat my answer

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
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Violence? You can’t just make stuff up fella. He said abuse. Abuse is not a synonym for violence.
 
Chris in London said:
Wow, that’s simplistic.

To take just one.

Larger populations do not create a need for more police. The need for policing levels depends on a variety of factors. There may be less of a need for policing in the orkneys for instance than in a town of comparable population because there is a difference in the demographics.

More importantly, the problems with policing exist independently of an increasing population. They relate to underfunding going back decades. It is true that those problems might in principle be exacerbated by a larger population but is really looking at the puddle on the floor as if it was the problem instead of the hole in the roof.

It is not unreasonable to look at immigration but it is illogical to concentrate on that topic so disproportionately at the expense of the root causes of the problems that immigration may exacerbate but certainly did not cause.

Your reply only underlines that point.
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Err I cannot agree the bigger the population means no more police, thats quite frankly odd. And well done on swerving all the other parts I guess people car share as the population grows. Those gp's just work harder and immigrants never get ill. Top stuff.

The underfunding? Yes that happened whilst the population was growing hence the part about govts reacting slowly.

You will have to sell that nonsense elsewhere im afraid.
 
My mate said:
I don’t think he’s saying he’s ex forces to intimidate…I’d say it’s because he fought for this country and he’s not happy at the state of it.
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Which are sentiments he would have if he was a former bus driver or chartered surveyor, but he wouldnt advertise the fact that he was in the same way.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I'll repeat my answer

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
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Violence? Not like you to lie :-)

Not hard dont knock on the fucking door. No different than telling a Mormon to sod off.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
No, it is nothing to do with which party it is directed at. He would be the same grade of bellend no matter which party he references
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Hmmmm.... there are many on here that would take issue with that statement.... not that I would disagree with the fact that it could be a party neutral statement. In fact I believe some would highly praise it in certain circumstances.
 
My mate said:
I don’t think he’s saying he’s ex forces to intimidate…I’d say it’s because he fought for this country and he’s not happy at the state of it.
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More than likely. Maybe they are totally effed off at the persecution of serving and ex military personnel through various court cases and the perception of Labours role in them. Just a guess.
 
Not sure why they would put they were armed forces, it doesn't really matter either way. They are fully entitled to let Labour know that knocking on his door is a waste of time and they wouldn't be welcome.
It's no big deal. Labour should be asking themselves why folk feel this way in the first place.
 
hilts said:
Wow

If only the people in those neighbourhoods were as informed and correct as you.

Btw Reform has about 28% in the polls, loads don't or Can't vote, even if they win it will probably be something daft like 15% of the total population in this seat at the very most. That may seem ridiculous but thats fptp for you.

You know the one that Labour continues with, the lot you support.

Thats how informed you are.

Pmsl
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Wow. Tetchy.
 
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