Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

Politics now is not about sensible policy’s it’s about sound bites and social media whoring! 95% of people in government or involved in these by elections don’t give at toss about working class!
 
Nickyweaver01 said:
They want to make Landlordism a thing of the past which is an archaic system. People should pay for their own home not pay for yours, get a real job.

Have you looked into the Portugal and the success of their drug policy? Or do u just read the headlines and sound bites?

Looks to me that normal, working class people have voted for a local, normal working class woman and not a posh TV presenter bussed in from London. That’s hardly a surprise is it? Or did u like the posh TV presenter?
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Very telling you ignored the most significant thing they want to do, mate, which is make the world borderless but give incoming migrants a house, by building 150,000 social homes. If people didn’t vote for them it would be hilarious.

Anyway, I do have a real job, and I don’t rent out a property I was just expressing a point about they’re happy for me to use crack cocaine but not rent a house to someone.

Yes I am familiar with Portugals policy, the last thing I read they had more drug addicts than they had prior to the policy coming in. HIV is down, which is a positive but from what I can see there are now more criticisms of the policy than not and many Portuguese politicians are now campaigning to reverse it.
 
Gabriel said:
Just how big are the families and booths to accommodate 4,402 people?…

Irregularities need to be highlighted and addressed, naturally, but they shouldn’t be used to detract from the mood and the decision of this particular electorate.
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Reading some of the replies on here, those that have got what they wanted don’t want to address it.

Green would have still likely won, but replicate this nationwide, for any party by the way, and we’ve got problems.
 
Ric said:
Quite a seismic result that, in many ways. Pleased to see the people of Manchester rejecting the toxic politics of Nigel Farage and Reform though.
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Agree but for labour to win the next election stop farage Starmer has to go and Andy Burnham challenging him! He’s been good for Manchester mainly
 
Ric said:
Quite a seismic result that, in many ways. Pleased to see the people of Manchester rejecting the toxic politics of Nigel Farage and Reform though.
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Only good thing to come out of it was the rejection of labour.
The fact that the choice left was green or reform is nothing to be pleased about in my opinion.
 
waspish said:
Agree but for labour to win the next election stop farage Starmer has to go and Andy Burnham challenging him! He’s been good for Manchester mainly
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You mean that Rag sycophant that ignores Manchester’s only football league club? Fuck him
 
waspish said:
Politics now is not about sensible policy’s it’s about sound bites and social media whoring! 95% of people in government or involved in these by elections don’t give at toss about working class!
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It’s polarised them versus us politics and having social media available, it’s given people who want a road into the world of politics a platform to say some daft and most of the time completely incorrect on facts to get peoples attention.

It’s a depressing state of affairs when I imagine 95 percent of the population want to see the people in Westminster working collaboratively on their behalf instead of the tribalism involved .
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Only good thing to come out of it was the rejection of labour.
The fact that the choice left was green or reform is nothing to be pleased about in my opinion.
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The Green’s campaign can only be described as “toxic” too. Using Gaza to point score against Starmer is a disgrace.
 
Ban-jani said:
Reading some of the replies on here, those that have got what they wanted don’t want to address it.

Green would have still likely won, but replicate this nationwide, for any party by the way, and we’ve got problems.
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It should be and it should be reported officially and publicly, with evidence of what was witnessed.

Labour’s share of the vote had already dropped in this seat in 2024 from its 2019 showing, but while Reform have swallowed the Conservative vote, they’ve not made significant inroads into the other vote shares. As I say, there is a lot of food for thought for all parties.
 
Gabriel said:
Just how big are the families and booths to accommodate 4,402 people?…

Irregularities need to be highlighted and addressed, naturally, but they shouldn’t be used to detract from the mood and the decision of this particular electorate.
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Yeah mate

Those illegal boat lot sailed straight up to the polling booths, even before they got their Iphone 30s and 5 star all inclusive hotels

Must be true, Lee Anderson told me.
 
Paul1970 said:
Thought so . I have grandkids and I worry for them because if we carry on like we are then this country will be finished .
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Console yourself your grandkids may have cleaner air and be able to actually enter a river or swim in the ocean.
The odd big company may even pay tax god forbid.


BTW they are more big on how immigrants are treated rather than the actual numbers at this point.
 
Greens pissed it in the end.

Can't stand them or their ideologies but they won it at a relative canter. At least those in Gorton &, Denton will get cheap energy, a better NHS and a free zoobie at the weekend....(Jokes)


It'll be spun as a "massive fail" by reform but as I said on this thread last week, reform were never expected to win the left leaning seat in the first place, it's more of a "massive fail" by labour.

On the one hand I hope it gives labour a wake-up call as my preference would be a centrist party, but I do worry a bit that it'll push Starmer into moving as left as he can (there was already talk of him doing this pre-by election).

Going to be interesting, to see how the may locals go.
 
Amidst the allegations of family voting, it’s worth remembering that Reform’s Matt Goodwin is a fervent admirer of Hungary’s Viktor Orban.

According to Cas Mudde, Fidesz has won all national and European elections since 2009 by 'using an enormous amount of public financial resources, constraining public opposition parties' access to media, and manipulating electoral rules’.

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waspish said:
Agree but for labour to win the next election stop farage Starmer has to go and Andy Burnham challenging him! He’s been good for Manchester mainly
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It’s difficult to see the mechanism by which that could be achieved, certainly in that order. It would presumably take a catastrophic showing in the May elections, Starmer resigning, and Burnham being fast-tracked into Westminster. Would existing MPs acquiesce? Would Burnham have the same appeal nationally that he enjoys locally?
 
Ban-jani said:
Very telling you ignored the most significant thing they want to do, mate, which is make the world borderless but give incoming migrants a house, by building 150,000 social homes. If people didn’t vote for them it would be hilarious.

Anyway, I do have a real job, and I don’t rent out a property I was just expressing a point about they’re happy for me to use crack cocaine but not rent a house to someone.

Yes I am familiar with Portugals policy, the last thing I read they had more drug addicts than they had prior to the policy coming in. HIV is down, which is a positive but from what I can see there are now more criticisms of the policy than not and many Portuguese politicians are now campaigning to reverse it.
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Sorry bud I just ignored it because it’s not really true.

“It is therefore not a big philosophical jump to think that a world without borders would be possible and desirable, as it has been in the past.. however .. it is of course highly impractical for the UK to unilaterally remove our own border controls, and so we have the second part of the policy that we implement a fair and humane system of managed migration, and the rest our policies set out how this would look.”

Easy to find on the Green Party website. I understand GB news will have explained it differently.

Wish you all the best mate.
 
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