Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

mattcity5 said:
Brilliant news, best start to the morning in ages.

Anything that reduces how normal hatred has become is brilliant. Not sure how Reform are getting so many votes when they're so clearly ran in the same manner as Trump's Republicans. You want armed forces locking your neighbours up for nothing and then further down the line the abolition of the NHS?

People acting like the Greens are saying anything crazy shows just how far to the right politics has become. They've got standard left-wing policies, similar in many ways to the Scandinavian countries who are generally seen to have the best quality of life in the World. But being like them is crazy? Bring it on.
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Believing they aren’t crazy shows are radical the left has become. Labour and the Tories have publicly dismissed for my entire life, that they are allowing mass immigration and using taxpayers money to fund housing for illegal migrants. The Greens have come out and said that’s what they actively want to do. It’s a huge deviation to what’s come before.
 
mattcity5 said:
Brilliant news, best start to the morning in ages.

Anything that reduces how normal hatred has become is brilliant. Not sure how Reform are getting so many votes when they're so clearly ran in the same manner as Trump's Republicans. You want armed forces locking your neighbours up for nothing and then further down the line the abolition of the NHS?

People acting like the Greens are saying anything crazy shows just how far to the right politics has become. They've got standard left-wing policies, similar in many ways to the Scandinavian countries who are generally seen to have the best quality of life in the World. But being like them is crazy? Bring it on.
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Reform has eaten up the Tory vote which will have previously always been there considering how many elections the Conservatives have won in the past. There now isn’t a viable centre right option for those people, they have to go extreme right instead.

What Reform couldn’t do is swing the Labour vote which has decided to show their unhappiness with the Government by endorsing the Green Party.

It is bonkers that the two main Westminster parties were not even in 2nd and a telling story that the British public have had their day with them.
 
Ric said:
It's certainly a repudiation of Starmerism, and show the fallacy of trying to win over Reform voters. Pandering to the right has only served to alienate large sections of Labour's core support, and blocking Burnham's candidacy was a mistake. He's a dead man walking.
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Its going to take the party to push him. I dont think he has the self awareness to walk
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t keep up to date with what Rupert Lowe is saying to be honest mate.

Most countries do have a minimum requirement, nearly every EU country has some sort of requirement to meet for spouses. If it’s not a minimum salary it’s a certain amount of proved income or net bank balance required.

Rather than us nitpicking on these points anyway, do you think the Green’s immigration policy will increase it or decrease and to what level of numbers do you think is acceptable?
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I will be honest it would likely increase, especially if the quality of life improves in line of their policies. How much is acceptable? Depends who you ask, most Reform voters want mass deportations….
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Ive seen stuff that makes me think people think they look cool and edgy by stating their support for them

ONLY positive out of this is the bloody nose its given Labour.
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The fact Reform didn't win is the biggest positive.

If Labour getting a bloody nose means they move tack on some stuff and actually become more confident and are more ambitious about what they want then that's a good thing too, as well as sorting out their comms when they introduce policies that are actually beneficial for the working public.
 
Gabriel said:
It should be and it should be reported officially and publicly, with evidence of what was witnessed.

Labour’s share of the vote had already dropped in this seat in 2024 from its 2019 showing, but while Reform have swallowed the Conservative vote, they’ve not made significant inroads into the other vote shares. As I say, there is a lot of food for thought for all parties.
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It was always going to be difficult seat for Reform. Gorton is an area built on immigration so they would always struggle, so on one level a good result.

It’s not really a negative reflection of their rise.

Good to see this awful anti-business and anti-working person Labour Party get a bloody nose. They have a lot of work to do to become appealing starting with getting read of the hapless PM.
 
theholysmurf said:
I’d make a strong case that wanting to legalise heroin is ‘crazy’.
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Maybe that one is a little, but (playing devil's advocate in this one as I haven't seen the detail on that policy) how much would organised crime make from it in the future if it were legal?
 
Ban-jani said:
Believing they aren’t crazy shows are radical the left has become. Labour and the Tories have publicly dismissed for my entire life, that they are allowing mass immigration and using taxpayers money to fund housing for illegal migrants. The Greens have come out and said that’s what they actively want to do. It’s a huge deviation to what’s come before.
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If we get rid of all illegal immigrants and save the money spent in housing, under Reform, do you think the rest of the people in the country will benefit from that?
Do you think Reform will improve all our lives, protect our freedoms, our human rights and our NHS?
I don't think they will. I think they will divide us by playing on people prejudices and then fuck us all over if they gain power.
Do you really want the UK to function as the USA is doing now?
 
I think Zack needs to calm down a little here. Yes, I voted Green, but I didn't do so because I believe it was "transformational for British Politics." I did so for two reasons, to keep Reform out and to give Labour and Starmer a bloody nose.

A number of people I've been speaking to (although there are a myriad of other reasons Greens got 14k votes, I accept) feel the same way. Punishing Labour, not advocating Greens...and keeping Reform out. Starmer and his brand of champagne socialist yuppie politics needs to go. We've told him here we don't want it. Punishing working families and people to pay for the workshy and feckless by taxing them to the hilt? Nah, get gone.
 
hampshireblue said:
The fact Reform didn't win is the biggest positive.

If Labour getting a bloody nose means they move tack on some stuff and actually become more confident and are more ambitious about what they want then that's a good thing too, as well as sorting out their comms when they introduce policies that are actually beneficial for the working public.
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Were reform ever going to win? Were they ever going to swing a very left wing area right?
Its been left wing forever.
I think reform will see the result as a positive in so much of the amount of votes they got, there will be much more right leaning constituencies that will swing right away from tory rather than left from labour
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Interesting that the Green Party has the same number of actually elected MPs as Reform if you deduct the sulking ex Tories who have defected to the party. Will there be wall to wall coverage of their press conferences and documentaries put out on Sky and the BBC.
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The Greens won a protest vote, probably the most important protest vote in this governments cycle. The fact that Denton veered left isn't a surprise to anyone the voters there had little to no choice but to vote them.
 
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