Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

[Ban-jani]

It’s not a case of believing it or not, it’s literally a fact. Reforms funding comes from the American right and we know from the Epstein files Bannon is deep into reform and they’ve parachuted in a bunch of Trump admin advisers.

James Orr is their head of policy and wants to make abortion illegal in the UK. He’s said on record that he thinks Britain needs its own Project 2025 - that’s the American heritage foundation document that’s defined all of Trumps second term policies - removing child labour protections, removing LGBT equality and pushing biblical education over secular. Reforms stated policy is to remove the equalities act, because the American right wing dont like it.

Aseem Malhotra is an adviser to the RFK jr and wants to make vaccinations illegal in the UK and was given a massive platform at Reforms conference.

Lois Perry is a reform adviser, she’s from an American think tank that believes climate change is a hoax.

If you think reform is anything other than the UK branch of MAGA then it’s because you’re wilfully ignoring them showing you that’s what they are.



Where? He literally hasn’t criticised a thing.

I don’t think they are and will come back to this in more detail later on, Farage’s recent criticisms of Trump prove they’re not some MAGA puppet, I wouldn’t consider defending them if that was the case.

I’m at work now so will have to park it until later.

 

[Ric]

I wonder if Burnham would actually have won if he was selected?

 

[Ban-jani]

So why were illegal crossings at their height under the Tories?

The Tories immigration policy was the most left wing in history, especially under Boris.

 

[hcblue95]

So why were illegal crossings at their height under the Tories?

I know the answer to this one!

It's because the Tories are left wing? That's what I've been hearing anyway.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Rather than Ad hominem attacks, answer this, do you think giving away what we do to migrants that cross illegally, encourages or discourages attempts to do so?

Answer it honestly rather than calling me names please.

The asylum seekers (call them what they are.) have no recourse except to cross illegally as there is no legal path to crossing. France have offered to have processing on their side of the channel, we've said no.

As for Ad hominem, you and those who share your despicable views have spent this thread, and the green thread calling Greens crackpots and radicals, and nutters, so I will call you what I want. You and people like you are without soul, I'm alright jack and it makes my skin crawl I share a city with you and support the same team as you. There's no point in civilty because the shit you and others like you type makes me feel physically ill.

 

[mattcity5]

Let's hope the Overton window can finally shift back to the left.

And not necessarily even over to the left, just back towards the left would be a start!

 

[bluethrunthru]

Nick Ferrari and GB News gutted so it has to be a good thing

 

[Vic]

The current government is locking people up for speech in record numbers, has cancelled elections and tried to usher in a digital ID card they can track.

Farage and Reform are against all that. Farage has openly criticised Trump and the US recently on his policies.

I think you’ve got a particular perspective on Reform that’s not grounded in what will actually happen. Farage is miles away from fascism.

Two miles in a world of fascism?

 

[Semper aggressus]

What is the Greens policy on defence? Will they keep our deterrent? Will they support Ukraine? Can they be trusted not to give away territories like Gibraltar and the Falklands who’s populations have voted to remain British?

What are their tax policies? Will they decide to take even more from higher earners?

What about their approach to welfare, will any of it be strictly means tested?

Will those of us who enjoy the likes of Shakespeare, opera, traditional British pubs and are actually proud of this country’s achievements in industry and in battles for freedom be castigated as racist?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The current government is locking people up for speech in record numbers, has cancelled elections and tried to usher in a digital ID card they can track.

Farage and Reform are against all that. Farage has openly criticised Trump and the US recently on his policies.

I think you’ve got a particular perspective on Reform that’s not grounded in what will actually happen. Farage is miles away from fascism.

I think you're naive

I hope (1) we never get to test it and (2) you're right.

 

[The blue phantom]

Tolmie taken it well I see. Complaining on 'x' about too many people with non white skin using his local B&M store.

No suprise he's spewing his hate after this result.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

What is the Greens policy on defence? Will they keep our deterrent? Will they support Ukraine? Can they be trusted not to give away territories like Gibraltar and the Falklands who’s populations have voted to remain British?

What are their tax policies? Will they decide to take even more from higher earners?

What about their approach to welfare, will any of it be strictly means tested?

Will those of us who enjoy the likes of Shakespeare, opera, traditional British pubs and are actually proud of this country’s achievements in industry and in battles for freedom be castigated as racist?

And some of the right were calling reactions to Reform hysterical...

 

[blueparrot]

What is the Greens policy on defence? Will they keep our deterrent? Will they support Ukraine? Can they be trusted not to give away territories like Gibraltar and the Falklands who’s populations have voted to remain British?

What are their tax policies? Will they decide to take even more from higher earners?

What about their approach to welfare, will any of it be strictly means tested?

Will those of us who enjoy the likes of Shakespeare, opera, traditional British pubs and are actually proud of this country’s achievements in industry and in battles for freedom be castigated as racist?

It was a by-election that it was important Reform was kept out after a Labour shambles nobody was voting for a new government so non of that is important right now.

 

[domalino]

I don’t think they are and will come back to this in more detail later on, Farage’s recent criticisms of Trump prove they’re not some MAGA puppet, I wouldn’t consider defending them if that was the case.

I’m at work now so will have to park it until later.

Saying Trump was “a bit unfair” when he called all British troops cowards who did nothing in Afghanistan except hide on the sidelines doesn’t change the fact we have a literal paper trail showing the Heritage foundation is funding Farage and the proven links between his advisers and MAGA.

 

[Semper aggressus]

And some of the right were calling reactions to Reform hysterical...

Where’s the hysteria? These are genuine questions.

 

[Semper aggressus]

It was a by-election that it was important Reform was kept out after a Labour shambles nobody was voting for a new government so non of that is important right now.

It could be an indicator of things to come though.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Saying Trump was “a bit unfair” when he called all British troops cowards who did nothing in Afghanistan except hide on the sidelines doesn’t change the fact we have a literal paper trail showing the Heritage foundation is funding Farage and the proven links between his advisers and MAGA.

He's like a mouse where regards the Epstein files and Trumps multiple links to SA and noncing. Farage gives a fuck about one thing alone, and that's money, he's definitely racist but it's the grift that he really cares about.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Habib's lot - Advance UK - were beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party

 

[mattcity5]

I don’t think they are and will come back to this in more detail later on, Farage’s recent criticisms of Trump prove they’re not some MAGA puppet, I wouldn’t consider defending them if that was the case.

I’m at work now so will have to park it until later.

Yeah, he's such a massive critic.....

Nigel Farage says he’s ‘never wavered’ in his support for Donald Trump

The Reform UK leader also says he’s drawn ‘amazing inspiration’ from the MAGA movement

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Will those of us who enjoy the likes of Shakespeare, opera, traditional British pubs and are actually proud of this country’s achievements in industry and in battles for freedom be castigated as racist?

Mainly this bit, but the rest is a gibbering right wing bingo card.