The Green Party

domalino said:
It's not Green policy to have open borders FWIW. This is their official policy -

We propose a system of managed migration, with visas and rules. This will enable us towelcome migrants to the UK and treat them with dignity, and to also not dismantle the system of control in case we need to restrict movement in the future for whatever reason.
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That’s not really a “policy” it’s the status quo and exactly what we have now
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
That’s not really a “policy” it’s the status quo and exactly what we have now
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This is the greens immigration policy, they wont get near number 10.

  1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
  2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
  3. Give all residents the right to vote
  4. Help families to be together
  5. Dismantle the Home Office
  6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
  7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
  8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
  9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
  10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move
migration.greenparty.org.uk

Zack Polanski, Mothin Ali & Rachel Millward - The Green Party

Meet our new leadership team.
migration.greenparty.org.uk migration.greenparty.org.uk
 
thelantern said:
This is the greens immigration policy, they wont get near number 10.

  1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
  2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
  3. Give all residents the right to vote
  4. Help families to be together
  5. Dismantle the Home Office
  6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
  7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
  8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
  9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
  10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move
migration.greenparty.org.uk

Zack Polanski, Mothin Ali & Rachel Millward - The Green Party

Meet our new leadership team.
migration.greenparty.org.uk migration.greenparty.org.uk
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There are some of those I could potentially get on board with but they are quite vague. Others don’t really feel like serious proposals. But there’s a choice there for people to vote for at least, as that is significantly different than what’s on offer elsewhere
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
There are some of those I could potentially get on board with but they are quite vague. Others don’t really feel like serious proposals. But there’s a choice there for people to vote for at least, as that is significantly different than what’s on offer elsewhere
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What struck me was dismantling the Home Office and allowing anyone in the country whatever their status to vote, they are not seriously hoping to see government with those policies, their choice of deputy leader isn't exactly stunning either.
 
law74 said:
With the child abuse within the Catholic church, the Westminster Paedophile ring and the large numbers of far right gangs guilty of child sexual abuse, maybe they thought it Was a British value.
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Can you post a link regarding the prosecutions that have resulted from the "large numbers of far right gangs guilty of child sex abuse"

Thanks in advance.
 


I’m liking the Green Party view on the Middle East and Iran. Trump and Netanyahu fighting an illegal war on Iran it’s not a world I want to live in where the country with the biggest weapons invades a country that is peaceful or out of NATO like Ireland.
 
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It is remarkable how utterly thick the voting public is, I've already seen one clip of a Gorton resident being interviewed who didn't even know the outcome of the by-election until the interviewer told her... she then proclaimed how delighted she was as she'd voted Green "because something needs to be done about all the immigration"

Well the Greens will certainly do something about immigration, unfortunately for that woman it won't quite be the thing she thinks they'll do.
 
thelantern said:
This is the greens immigration policy, they wont get near number 10.

  1. Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
  2. Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
  3. Give all residents the right to vote
  4. Help families to be together
  5. Dismantle the Home Office
  6. Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
  7. Abolish the ten year route to settlement
  8. Stop the profiteering from application fees
  9. Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
  10. Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move
migration.greenparty.org.uk

Zack Polanski, Mothin Ali & Rachel Millward - The Green Party

Meet our new leadership team.
migration.greenparty.org.uk migration.greenparty.org.uk
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Truly terrifying for anyone who considers mass immigration to be out of control already.
 
pirate said:
ahhh

terrifying for the truly mental (or not mental but racist) then.
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Can you explain what's racist about recognising and understanding the many and varied socio-economic impacts of mass immigration?

Thanks.
 
jacko74 said:
Can you explain what's racist about recognising and understanding the many and varied socio-economic impacts of mass immigration?

Thanks.
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OK

the effect of mass immigration are almost all positive (both economically and culturally)

The only reasons to oppose it are
1)because you have believed the lies that it is bad (those are the mental people)
2)you don't like people who don't look/act you (those are the racist people)

if you have a third reason I would love to hear it
 
blueparrot said:
Consider me far from terrified, not even slightly concerned thanks.
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Well you have no concerns at all about mass immigration and that's just fine... you obviously have a vested interest and personally benefit from having an entire underclass of abused and exploited migrants encouraged to come here with lies and false promises, only to find themselves receiving illegally low pay in the grey/gig economy, living in squalid overcrowded HMO's and often being reliant on benefits... a situation which drives down the value of everyone's labour and increases the demand for and cost of accommodation, hugely benefitting the billionaire corporations and parasitic rentier class establishment.

Personally I hold higher moral and ethical standards than yourself but I respect your honesty all the same.
 
pirate said:
OK

the effect of mass immigration are almost all positive (both economically and culturally)

The only reasons to oppose it are
1)because you have believed the lies that it is bad (those are the mental people)
2)you don't like people who don't look/act you (those are the racist people)

if you have a third reason I would love to hear it
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Economically the ONLY people who have benefited from mass immigration are the billionaires, the avaricious corporations and the parasitic rentier class establishment.

I'm sorry you've been fooled into not understanding or recognising this perfectly simple concept.

As for the cultural benefits of mass immigration, you'll have to explain those to me

(PLEASE don't say nice exotic food, I know you're better than that)
 
pirate said:
OK

the effect of mass immigration are almost all positive (both economically and culturally)

The only reasons to oppose it are
1)because you have believed the lies that it is bad (those are the mental people)
2)you don't like people who don't look/act you (those are the racist people)

if you have a third reason I would love to hear it
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as you say there are some negatives (both economically and culturally).
1) the economic burden and pressure on infrastructure are (and have been for a number of years) unsustainable.
2) there are some negative cultural differences such as the grooming gangs for example.

If you don't agree then fair enough, it's just my opinion (which I'm not alone in).
 
jacko74 said:
Economically the ONLY people who have benefited from mass immigration are the billionaires, the avaricious corporations and the parasitic rentier class establishment.

I'm sorry you've been fooled into not understanding or recognising this perfectly simple concept.

As for the cultural benefits of mass immigration, you'll have to explain those to me

(PLEASE don't say nice exotic food, I know you're better than that)
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Economically immigrants fill jobs that the resident population cant or will not do (packing and picking at arable farms, cleaning etc). This benefits everybody. Obviously this includes billionaires and I do think that billionaires take much more out of society (and the population ) than they should. But to tackle that you don't change who they exploit (resident population instead of immigrants) you tackle the structural nature of the economy to redistribute their wealth and influence.
To tackle exploitative landlords, you again you change the structure of the system so they cannot exploit both immigrants and the resident population
They also fill jobs that the resident population is not qualified to do, for example 21% of the NHS employees are immigrants

Cultural benefits are so obvious. Exposure to different family structures, exposure to different ideas, exposure to different festivals, exposure to different traditions.

Food is also a thing, don't know what the issue with mentioning food is, please explain?
 
Really_here said:
as you say there are some negatives (both economically and culturally).
1) the economic burden and pressure on infrastructure are (and have been for a number of years) unsustainable.
2) there are some negative cultural differences such as the grooming gangs for example.
If you don't agree then fair enough, it's just my opinion (which I'm not alone in).
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1) the economic burden and pressure on infrastructure are (and have been for a number of years) unsustainable.
Only because the governments of the last 26 years decided that they wouldn't invest in the infastructure, deciding instead to implement austerity which in effect passes more wealth from the state to the rich. the effect of immigration is negligible compared to that.

2) there are some negative cultural differences such as the grooming gangs for example.
Grooming gangs are not just from the immigrants . There are grooming gangs among the resident population. The only reason that you think its a problem from the immigrant population is because the right wing only highlight the immigrants grooming gangs (Daily Mail, Tommy ten names, Farage
etc)
 
jacko74 said:
It is remarkable how utterly thick the voting public is, I've already seen one clip of a Gorton resident being interviewed who didn't even know the outcome of the by-election until the interviewer told her... she then proclaimed how delighted she was as she'd voted Green "because something needs to be done about all the immigration"

Well the Greens will certainly do something about immigration, unfortunately for that woman it won't quite be the thing she thinks they'll do.
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Ha, the best of it was the chap beside her at the Bus Stop was from overseas’.

I won’t call him Foreign as I will be labelled a racist, far right nut job on here nowadays.
 
yeseye said:
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To be blunt I don't think he does. I posted the article below in another thread. A proportion of this country is obsessed with immigration in a completely unhealthy way that seems not to be replicated elsewhere.

It takes about 10 minutes for a political thread on here to be turned into an immigration discussion. It's an important topic worthy of consideration like very many others but the obsession with it is ruining the country..

www.independent.co.uk

Britain leads world when it comes to migration concerns, major poll finds

More than one in five (21 per cent) Britons say immigration is the biggest problem the country faces, but the issue barely registers as a top concern elsewhere
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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