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So not even beginning to consider all the many other socio-economic impacts of mass immigration ( such as the devaluation of labour leading to unprecedented wage stagnation and suppression, increased demand for and cost of accommodation, whole communities failing to integrate in any way whatsoever and not even able to speak English as highlighted by the Greens own campaign strategy in G&D)... you don't consider £10.6bn per year in just Universal Credit alone being paid to immigrants as significant?
Are you of the opinion that immigrants who have lived and worked in the UK for years, paid taxes, and have permanent residence rights should not have access to Universal Credit? Settled status/Indefinite Leave to Remain isn’t temporary migration, these are usually granted after at least five years living and working legally in the UK.

The £10.6bn figure sounds dramatic, but it lacks important context. Universal Credit is calculated at household level, and that category includes households where at least one person is not a UK national, which can mean long-term residents or mixed British families. The full payment is recorded against the household as a whole, not attributed solely to an individual immigrant claimant.

When you look at the actual breakdown:
Around 84% of Universal Credit claimants are UK or Irish citizens.
Roughly 12–14% are long-term settled residents (EU settled status or Indefinite Leave to Remain).
Only about 2% fall into refugee or humanitarian protection categories.

Many of the people being counted in these figures are not recent arrivals, they are long-term residents who have already contributed to the UK economy and tax system for years.

Concerns about immigration are worth debating. There can be local pressures on housing and services in certain areas, and when public services feel strained, people look for visible causes, and immigration becomes a focal point, even though the drivers are usually broader. Economists generally link UK wage stagnation more to weak productivity, austerity, brexit, and low investment, so the picture is more complex than immigration simply driving decline.
 
I note that the latest smear appears to be '6th-form politics'.
Sometimes, principles are very simple and it is either yes or no.
I admire Zack Polanski's simple and steadfast approach, but others seem VERY threatened by it.
A City fan on X, whose account I followed because he is a City fan, described him as a Muslim shill this morning in relation to the Iran conflict. I asked if ongoing negativity about the Iraq war is also shilling for Islam. I haven't had a response yet.
 
So not even beginning to consider all the many other socio-economic impacts of mass immigration ( such as the devaluation of labour leading to unprecedented wage stagnation and suppression, increased demand for and cost of accommodation, whole communities failing to integrate in any way whatsoever and not even able to speak English as highlighted by the Greens own campaign strategy in G&D)... you don't consider £10.6bn per year in just Universal Credit alone being paid to immigrants as significant?
we were looking at the immigration figures, therefore I looked at those.
you still have not produced evidence to back up your claim that ONS figures are wrong

we were also talking about the DWP payments, you then went from DWP payments to specifically UC payments without providing evidence that all the 10.6 bn DWP payments were UC payments

Happy to discuss wider issues but not as a deflection from the two issues we were discussing. So provide the evidence requested and then we can move on to other issues.
The reason I would like this is because there is no point discussing anything if your only evidence is, as another poster put it, is "Trust me bro"
 
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/green-party-mothin-ali-rally-khomeini-racist-5HjdTkC_2/

Unsurprisingly, the attempted smears on Mothin Ali, are in fact, right wing nonsense.

Even Starmer is in on it. All of them are truely rattled by the greens, moreso than perhaps Reform Ltd.


Unreal that Starmer joined in with the pile-on without trying to establish the facts first.

I said at the weekend that it looked more like a Stop The War protest as opposed to something that was supporting the despotic Iranian regime, given some of the placards on view in the video.
 
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/green-party-mothin-ali-rally-khomeini-racist-5HjdTkC_2/

Unsurprisingly, the attempted smears on Mothin Ali, are in fact, right wing nonsense.

Even Starmer is in on it. All of them are truely rattled by the greens, moreso than perhaps Reform Ltd.


I’m not into politics and think they are all as bad as one another in the main.
However, I read yesterday that MPs had agreed a pay rise.
I note a war has just started with bombing all over the Middle East, and UK citizens are stuck in the UAE.
But look at the above picture, the House of Commons is about a third full!now that’s scandalous in my opinion
 
Unreal that Starmer joined in with the pile-on without trying to establish the facts first.

I said at the weekend that it looked more like a Stop The War protest as opposed to something that was supporting the despotic Iranian regime, given some of the placards on view in the video.

Yeah well, not like the right to see something at surface value and jump to a conclusion, is it?

Yeah, Starmer labelling the Greens as extremists is becoming beyond parody
 
Yeah well, not like the right to see something at surface value and jump to a conclusion, is it?

Yeah, Starmer labelling the Greens as extremists is becoming beyond parody
Im just glad all those posters who piled in have had the good grace to admit the mistake they made.

I cant find the posts but I'm sure they're in there somewhere.
 
Currently unemployed due to ill health but walks her dog and socialises every day..... Prepared to work hard if she wins....

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My other half has been unemployed due to ill health since 2012. Firstly because a botched operation at Tameside hospital left her with chronic abdominal pain which requires her to be on medication for the rest of her life. On top of that, she suffered a brain haemorrhage in 2020, the after effects of which will be around forever and as a result she's now on even more medication. She's trying to get back into work but it isn't easy finding a job with her medical history.

She also walks our dog every day.
 
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My other half has been unemployed due to ill health since 2012. Firstly because a botched operation at Tameside hospital left her with chronic abdominal pain which requires her to be on medication for the rest of her life. On top of that, she suffered a brain haemorrhage in 2020, the after effects of which will be around forever and as a result she's now on even more medication. She's trying to get back into work but it isn't easy finding a job with her medical history.

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Would your wife stand for local councillor in her condition?
 
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Would your wife stand for local councillor in her condition?
If you saw her you might not think there was anything wrong with her - hidden disabilities and all that. She can still do most day to day things but she has bad days when she's not well at all. Hence why I said she's trying to get back into work - and yes, that could be a local councillors job if she fancied doing it - but many employers won't entertain taking her on
 
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Apologies I didn't know the green candidate was your other half. I'll leave it there then. I just hope she knows the stresses and strains of being a local councillor if she wins.

Wish her all the best from me x
I was pointing out that my other half is in the same situation as her insofar as she's unemployed due to ill health and walks our dog every day so yes, by extension you were insulting my girlfriend - and everyone else who is in that same situation.

By the way, being a local councillor isn't necessarily stressful....especially if you can't be arsed turning up for work like all those local Reform councillors up and down the country
 
I was pointing out that my other half is in the same situation as her insofar as she's unemployed due to ill health and walks our dog every day so yes, by extension you were insulting my girlfriend - and everyone else who is in that same situation.

By the way, being a local councillor isn't necessarily stressful....especially if you can't be arsed turning up for work like all those local Reform councillors up and down the country
Mate, I've been childish.

I want to apologise, I've posted something without thinking of the bigger picture and yes, it was ignorant.

Wishing your (real) partner well and I'll leave it there.
 

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