The Green Party

Sun was at his best again this morning. With all that’s going on in the world their front page was about a tweet from Polanski 2 years ago calling for all animal sports to be banned. Dropped wonderfully by them the day beg the National. They must be worried bless them.
 
Interesting that the attack lines on Polanski are all childish stuff about his name, his teeth, his careers, his sexuality, his faith.

The actual attacks on his views and policy seem relatively sparse. Obviously there's a reason for this, and it was similar with Corbyn in this regard. The vast majority of his views are extremely popular. It goes without saying the entirety of the the Right (Labour) Hard Right (Tories) and Far Right (Reform/Restore) after the childish jibes, have only three attack lines: He's a commie (yawn) he's cynically harnessing the British Asian vote (duh) He's a dummy, populist/idealist who doesn't get how things actually run (because the status quo has served the working person SO well since 1979!!)

The job of the media and the neo liberal Right (from Labour through to the nutters) is to treat the Greens like they are irrelevant..even as Reform collapses under the first bit of actual journalistic interrogation of the leadership in 15 years during all the various iterations of said group and as Nigels ties to Trump sink him. They will rearrange the deckchairs, telling us the emperors clothes are splendid as Polanski who has more brains, charisma, communication skills and authenticity than all of the fools frothing at the mouth come at him like kids...eats them for breakfast. Oh. And they can't Corbyn him. It's gonna be real fun!
Or it’s quite possible that his supporters completely switch off when they see actual criticisms of his policies and/or don’t follow accounts online that are critical?

Whenever I’ve posted something either Polanski or a member of his party have put forward as an idea, it roundly gets ignored or you get accused of being some sort of fascist.

What is your view on his candidate in Scotland wanting to abolish prisons? The Green’s general view about having a borderless society and more immigration than we’ve already had? Banning landlords? Legalising all drugs? Legalising prostitution? Scrapping the nuclear deterrent (seems genius right now)? Even more income tax?

These questions generally don’t get answered, they get denied or ignored.

His policies aren’t anywhere near as popular as you state and the fact you’ve described Labour as right wing has given me a chuckle.

Polanski doesn’t have brains compared to the others, Starmer is a far more impressive individual and if, which he thankfully won’t, Polanski ever got into power, he’d sink very quickly with his utopian bollocks.
 
Polanski speaks the people's language. Same as Farage.

He also answers questions when asked unlike the media schooled main parties.

He's not their friend and they know it.
Just like Farage, it’s very easy to do when you’re representing the fringe and you’re not a serious person.

Neither Reform nor Green would be capable of actually governing.
 
Or it’s quite possible that his supporters completely switch off when they see actual criticisms of his policies and/or don’t follow accounts online that are critical?

Whenever I’ve posted something either Polanski or a member of his party have put forward as an idea, it roundly gets ignored or you get accused of being some sort of fascist.

What is your view on his candidate in Scotland wanting to abolish prisons? The Green’s general view about having a borderless society and more immigration than we’ve already had? Banning landlords? Legalising all drugs? Legalising prostitution? Scrapping the nuclear deterrent (seems genius right now)? Even more income tax?

These questions generally don’t get answered, they get denied or ignored.

His policies aren’t anywhere near as popular as you state and the fact you’ve described Labour as right wing has given me a chuckle.

Polanski doesn’t have brains compared to the others, Starmer is a far more impressive individual and if, which he thankfully won’t, Polanski ever got into power, he’d sink very quickly with his utopian bollocks.
There are some fair points here and to be fair to you the Greens need to do more to explain the specifics of their polices.

On prisons though, which I have some knowledge of, their policy is more nuanced than the Scottish labour person articulated. Firstly it is not the case that they don’t think prison is not needed for everyone. They believe it should be reserved though for the most violent offences. Outside of those they believe that community punishment, and restoratory justice (backed by things like tagging etc) is a better approach. They believe this allows people to make amends and is more likely to lead to rehabilitation. The stats on short prison sentences and recidivism would certainly back this up. Prison is also eye wateringly expensive.

Legalisation and licensing of drugs is also a policy with quite widespread support across parts of the political spectrum , if executed properly. Same with sex work.

We shouldn’t be afraid of different ideas or shut them down without careful thought. That’s why a better voting system which brings different views together to craft broader policies is a really necessary thing in my view. The rise of the greens (and reform) is a necessary thing to bring about this change
 
There are some fair points here and to be fair to you the Greens need to do more to explain the specifics of their polices.

On prisons though, which I have some knowledge of, their policy is more nuanced than the Scottish labour person articulated. Firstly it is not the case that they don’t think prison is not needed for everyone. They believe it should be reserved though for the most violent offences. Outside of those they believe that community punishment, and restoratory justice (backed by things like tagging etc) is a better approach. They believe this allows people to make amends and is more likely to lead to rehabilitation. The stats on short prison sentences and recidivism would certainly back this up. Prison is also eye wateringly expensive.

Legalisation and licensing of drugs is also a policy with quite widespread support across parts of the political spectrum , if executed properly. Same with sex work.

We shouldn’t be afraid of different ideas or shut them down without careful thought. That’s why a better voting system which brings different views together to craft broader policies is a really necessary thing in my view. The rise of the greens (and reform) is a necessary thing to bring about this change
I actively want to discuss them, what I’ve found is that Green Party voters don’t generally. They just want to call anyone who challenges their ideas names. I also don’t see a fierce defence of policies being put out anywhere. We’ve seen wishy washy support around how Polanski “has a big heart” and that he’s a good man, but tell me why his policies are actually going to improve the lives of the ordinary people in this country (not you, his supporters generally).
 
Or it’s quite possible that his supporters completely switch off when they see actual criticisms of his policies and/or don’t follow accounts online that are critical?

Whenever I’ve posted something either Polanski or a member of his party have put forward as an idea, it roundly gets ignored or you get accused of being some sort of fascist.

What is your view on his candidate in Scotland wanting to abolish prisons? The Green’s general view about having a borderless society and more immigration than we’ve already had? Banning landlords? Legalising all drugs? Legalising prostitution? Scrapping the nuclear deterrent (seems genius right now)? Even more income tax?

These questions generally don’t get answered, they get denied or ignored.

His policies aren’t anywhere near as popular as you state and the fact you’ve described Labour as right wing has given me a chuckle.

Polanski doesn’t have brains compared to the others, Starmer is a far more impressive individual and if, which he thankfully won’t, Polanski ever got into power, he’d sink very quickly with his utopian bollocks.
One went on tele and said that the Manchester Arena bomb happened because the right are diving people, another has gone on record and has said that she wants all prisons closed down, another has had his messages screen shot and pour out there saying ‘DEATH TO ENGLAND’, the party’s tone is that of ‘we don’t care how many rapists or knife wielding cunts we let into the country so long as it pisses the right off’.

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This is party used to have legitimate environmental ideals who I voted for in a local election once because they came to my door and listened to me about the state of the litter in the area and said they’d do something about it. We chatted about other things for about fifteen minutes like the dangerous levels of toxicity in the Manchester air to rewinding parts of parks to potholes and graffiti. They were sound and were actually Green.

In that Spencer’s first speech in the Commons, she barely uttered more than six words around Green issues.

Now they’re just left wing populists and have attracted the country hating idiots from the new left who us traditional left just don’t identify or associate with.
 
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Or it’s quite possible that his supporters completely switch off when they see actual criticisms of his policies and/or don’t follow accounts online that are critical?

Whenever I’ve posted something either Polanski or a member of his party have put forward as an idea, it roundly gets ignored or you get accused of being some sort of fascist.

What is your view on his candidate in Scotland wanting to abolish prisons? The Green’s general view about having a borderless society and more immigration than we’ve already had? Banning landlords? Legalising all drugs? Legalising prostitution? Scrapping the nuclear deterrent (seems genius right now)? Even more income tax?

These questions generally don’t get answered, they get denied or ignored.

His policies aren’t anywhere near as popular as you state and the fact you’ve described Labour as right wing has given me a chuckle.

Polanski doesn’t have brains compared to the others, Starmer is a far more impressive individual and if, which he thankfully won’t, Polanski ever got into power, he’d sink very quickly with his utopian bollocks.
Not completely true really, I see a post added and have a look and its normally something abouts tits or teeth or a misrepresentation of what was said.
For instance the latest, one green party politician saying eventually they would 'like' less or no prisons turns into some sad Sun or GB news rant like :-

Mad woman wants prisons scrapped, vote green get marauding drugged up rapists.

Certain posters will never entertain them and that's fine but let's not pretend some actually want anything deeper than calling someone a crackpot.
 
One went on tele and said that the Manchester Arena bomb happened because the right are diving people, another has gone on record and has said that she wants all prisons closed down, another has had his messages screen shot and pour out there saying ‘DEATH TO ENGLAND’, the party’s tone is that of ‘we don’t care how many rapists or knife wielding cunts we let into the country so long as it pisses the right off’.

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This is party used to have legitimate environmental ideals who I voted for in a local election once because they came to my door and listened to me about the state of the litter in the area and said they’d do something about it. We chatted about other things for about fifteen minutes like the dangerous levels of toxicity in the Manchester air to rewinding parts of parks to potholes and graffiti. They were sound and were actually Green.

In that Spencer’s first speech in the Commons, she barely uttered more than six words around Green issues.

Now they’re just left wing populists and have attracted the country hating idiots from the new left who us traditional left just don’t identify or associate with.
Firstly, Hannah Spencer didn't say that about the Arena bomber - that was twisted by the likes of Goodwin and other idiots into claiming that's what she meant, and she's since clarified this.

Secondly, regarding prisons - read the posts 2 above yours and 1 below and you'll find that's not the case at all. More twisted, exaggerated bollocks just like those who claim the Greens want "open borders".

As for local environmental issues, the Greens campaigned on a lot of those exact issues in the recent Gorton and Denton by election but for some reason it got totally overshadowed by bitter losers who claimed they only went after the Muslim vote.

As for Alfie Rees, well every political party has its share of bad eggs and he should be removed as a candidate IMO.
 
Not completely true really, I see a post added and have a look and its normally something abouts tits or teeth or a misrepresentation of what was said.
For instance the latest, one green party politician saying eventually they would 'like' less or no prisons turns into some sad Sun or GB news rant like :-

Mad woman wants prisons scrapped, vote green get marauding drugged up rapists.

Certain posters will never entertain them and that's fine but let's not pretend some actually want anything deeper than calling someone a crackpot.
The thing is, targeting his teeth or his history of tit-whispering takes away from criticism of their policies, which there is ample examples to go at.

A removal of prison time for everyone but the most serious offenders is a general idea in the Green Party and should become their official policy at some point, it has been documented as policy, and they want to seriously scale back on many people who would go to prison now for crimes.

They do this a lot, they have a general idea of “a world without borders” or “a world without prisons” but we can’t do that right away because it’s not practical - yeah no shit.

They’re the far left version of Reform, same populist nonsense they use to try and sway the masses. The only reason Reform are doing slightly better is there’s slightly more right wing crackpots than left wing crackpots in this country.
 
Firstly, Hannah Spencer didn't say that about the Arena bomber - that was twisted by the likes of Goodwin and other idiots into claiming that's what she meant, and she's since clarified this.

Secondly, regarding prisons - read the posts 2 above yours and 1 below and you'll find that's not the case at all. More twisted, exaggerated bollocks just like those who claim the Greens want "open borders".

As for local environmental issues, the Greens campaigned on a lot of those exact issues in the recent Gorton and Denton by election but for some reason it got totally overshadowed by bitter losers who claimed they only went after the Muslim vote.

As for Alfie Rees, well every political party has its share of bad eggs and he should be removed as a candidate IMO.
They have specifically said they want open borders but it’s not yet practical, that’s on their policy document.

It’ll never be practical and is insane. As is their prison ideas.

Alfie Rees hasn’t been removed from what I can see? At least Reform are immediately sacking their lunatics.
 
Firstly, Hannah Spencer didn't say that about the Arena bomber - that was twisted by the likes of Goodwin and other idiots into claiming that's what she meant, and she's since clarified this.

Secondly, regarding prisons - read the posts 2 above yours and 1 below and you'll find that's not the case at all. More twisted, exaggerated bollocks just like those who claim the Greens want "open borders".

As for local environmental issues, the Greens campaigned on a lot of those exact issues in the recent Gorton and Denton by election but for some reason it got totally overshadowed by bitter losers who claimed they only went after the Muslim vote.

As for Alfie Rees, well every political party has its share of bad eggs and he should be removed as a candidate IMO.
Spencer’s words weren’t twisted. She quite literally said in response to ‘why are these things [things like the Manchester terrier attack] happening?’, ‘because people like you are dividing people’.



Where the bloke twisted it was trying to say she said he was responsible. But she did say it happens ‘because people like you are diving people’.

The Green Party do want open borders, in every country in the world. It’s in their mission statement as a party. And growing a population through high immigration is antithesis to Green issues.

And even if the Greens did deal with that Alfie bloke, it is these sort of country hating people who are loudly championing and getting involved with the Greens now.
 
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The thing is, targeting his teeth or his history of tit-whispering takes away from criticism of their policies, which there is ample examples to go at.

A removal of prison time for everyone but the most serious offenders is a general idea in the Green Party and should become their official policy at some point, it has been documented as policy, and they want to seriously scale back on many people who would go to prison now for crimes.

They do this a lot, they have a general idea of “a world without borders” or “a world without prisons” but we can’t do that right away because it’s not practical - yeah no shit.

They’re the far left version of Reform, same populist nonsense they use to try and sway the masses. The only reason Reform are doing slightly better is there’s slightly more right wing crackpots than left wing crackpots in this country.
So you don't want to hear about long term ideals, so? Just judge them on a manifesto for the here and now.

Btw i disagree completely with the Greens views on immigration, they have been scared into not mentioning the obvious problem with population growth, politicians are scared of the subject hence Reform using it so effectively.

Im not sure calling any opinion different to your own populist nonsense gives you much credit in the debating dept.

I prefer people who are a bit more hopeful in their outlook. People though are free to vote for the other parties whose usp is basically I know we're shit and we have the same problems year after year and never really solve them but this time we will do better by following the same path honest. Plus those other neo lib status quo lot are worse than us honest
 
Spencer’s words weren’t twisted. She quite literally said in response to ‘why are these things [things like the Manchester terrier attack] happening?’, ‘because people like you are dividing people’.



Where the bloke twisted it was trying to say she said he was responsible. But she did say it happens ‘because people like you are diving people’.

The Green Party do want open borders, in every country in the world. It’s in their mission statement as a party. And growing a population through high immigration is antithesis to Green issues.

And even if the Greens did deal with that Alfie bloke, it is these sort of country hating people who are loudly championing and getting involved with the Greens now.


You conveniently missed the bit where in reply to him saying so you are blaming me and said no I'm not. She never got the chance to expand on it.

Btw i would imagine terrorism is generally caused by division as opposed to people getting on with each other:-)

Another bad faith poster.
 
You conveniently missed the bit where in reply to him saying so you are blaming me and said no I'm not. She never got the chance to expand on it.

Btw i would imagine terrorism is generally caused by division as opposed to people getting on with each other:-)

Another bad faith poster.
If you’d read on, you’d see I didn’t miss that bit.

Not a bad faith poster at all. Just because it goes against the current trendiness of the Green Party doesn’t meant it’s bad faith in the slightest.

I just don’t like their current rhetoric and types of people the new Greens have attracted when they were a party I used to admire.
 
So you don't want to hear about long term ideals, so? Just judge them on a manifesto for the here and now.

Btw i disagree completely with the Greens views on immigration, they have been scared into not mentioning the obvious problem with population growth, politicians are scared of the subject hence Reform using it so effectively.

Im not sure calling any opinion different to your own populist nonsense gives you much credit in the debating dept.

I prefer people who are a bit more hopeful in their outlook. People though are free to vote for the other parties whose usp is basically I know we're shit and we have the same problems year after year and never really solve them but this time we will do better by following the same path honest. Plus those other neo lib status quo lot are worse than us honest
I prefer actual deliverable policies that have a timeline and aren’t absolutely absurd straight off the bat. At least when we’re getting led up the garden path by other parties that have been in power, they pretend like they’re going to implement sensible policies and then don’t, it’s unusual to advertise policies that aren’t in reality to begin with.

It’s not that their opinions are different to mine that I call populist. There’s policies from every party I disagree with, it’s the nature of how they communicate it and how they flip from community to community telling them what they want to hear.
 
I actively want to discuss them, what I’ve found is that Green Party voters don’t generally. They just want to call anyone who challenges their ideas names. I also don’t see a fierce defence of policies being put out anywhere. We’ve seen wishy washy support around how Polanski “has a big heart” and that he’s a good man, but tell me why his policies are actually going to improve the lives of the ordinary people in this country (not you, his supporters generally).
Parties don’t tend to put policy out there until much later in the electoral cycle sadly, for fear of stuff being pinched (or in some cases because they actively don’t know!) I’m not a green supporter by the way. I don’t have an allegiance to any particular party. Locally I tend to focus on the candidate I associate with and their track record in public service
 
If you’d read on, you’d see I didn’t miss that bit.

Not a bad faith poster at all. Just because it goes against the current trendiness of the Green Party doesn’t meant it’s bad faith in the slightest.

I just don’t like their current rhetoric and types of people the new Greens have attracted when they were a party I used to admire.
So you agree he tried to twist it.
 
I prefer actual deliverable policies that have a timeline and aren’t absolutely absurd straight off the bat. At least when we’re getting led up the garden path by other parties that have been in power, they pretend like they’re going to implement sensible policies and then don’t, it’s unusual to advertise policies that aren’t in reality to begin with.

It’s not that their opinions are different to mine that I call populist. There’s policies from every party I disagree with, it’s the nature of how they communicate it and how they flip from community to community telling them what they want to hear.
So you agree other parties lead people up the garden but you see that as at least some sort of positive? Erm........

Every party flips from community to community, they are selling themselves for votes. Everything you claim the Greens do to get votes can be levelled at the other parties, your just more happy to accept their sales pitch. Im not sure with the make up of our country you could even call the Greens populist.

Anyhow no point going round in circles, my opinion is you are looking for reasons which you needn't bother with, just vote Tory, labour or lib dem. You're gonna get whatever your gonna get anyhow.

At best the Greens may make a coalition, I wouldnt worry yourself about a prisonless UK.
 

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