The Labour Government

jockblue said:
I’ve not seen anything that does a country by country comparison. However those driving electric cars don’t pay fuel duty. They do pay VAT on electricity.

Fuel duty has reduced as not all cars need petrol. Can we at least agree on that?
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We can agree on that so long as we agree that the average Joe relying on petrol/diesel is paying more and more via increased prices that leads to increased revenue for the government.

The motorist is an easy target. Always has been, always will be.
 
jockblue said:
So if you scroll back, you’ll see the point made was fuel tax is at its lowest. Electric cars were not as prevalent in 2023. You put it down to people using cars less, I’m saying you’re wrong. I’m also not saying electricity isn’t free of tax, it is however free of fuel tax. Winky emoji…
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I would say that at this price people are using their cars less. Also fuel tax being low is a good thing what with less burning of oil like.

One of many articles about people using the car less due directly to price hikes.
 
blueinsa said:
In your opinion.

I think they’ve been utter shite.

Shit stinks, blue or red and this government is a fucking joke of U-turn after U-turn and mistake after mistake with the promises of what the adults would do better basically thrown out of the window from day 1.

Tories fucked it, Labour can’t fix it and whatever comes next will be even fucking worse but all that aside, it shouldn’t stop us looking at this current lot and thinking WTF is going on because it’s not good enough.
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But you're counting just u-turns and not manifesto commitments fulfilled
 
hilts said:
I would say that at this price people are using their cars less. Also fuel tax being low is a good thing what with less burning of oil like.

One of many articles about people using the car less due directly to price hikes.
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Not using my van at the moment diesel is absurd, our electric car costs £2 a week to fill up we get 140 miles for that.
 
blueinsa said:
We can agree on that so long as we agree that the average Joe relying on petrol/diesel is paying more and more via increased prices that leads to increased revenue for the government.

The motorist is an easy target. Always has been, always will be.
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I agree. During the last petrol crisis petrol and diesel were over £2 a litre. Diesel in particular is near that again now.
 
blueinsa said:
We can agree on that so long as we agree that the average Joe relying on petrol/diesel is paying more and more via increased prices that leads to increased revenue for the government.

The motorist is an easy target. Always has been, always will be.
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I don't know if you do it deliberately but you have chosen to ignore the post that states that whilst the government did initially have a small boost to it's revenues, there has been a subsequent reduction in vehicle usage and the amount taken in in fuel revenue is now at a 3 year low. Policy shouldn't be decided on the day-to-day fluctuations of any tax intake. Yes, all road users are hurting at the moment but as my previous post stated, your ire would be more useful directed at the big corporations who are now sqealing about their increased costs despite having taken the piss out of the consumer for years. For example fuel retailers have more than doubled their margins since 2017. That in itself leads to the government gaining more VAT, but in that case as a direct result of the retailers and nothing the government has actively done. By all means be angry, but be angry at the right culprit.
 
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Nothing to hide and done nothing wrong so let them find that and be done with it yes?

Nah, whip the party to make sure the very thing you brought onto your rival to finish him, can’t be used against yourself.

Apparently it’s all a political stunt says the guy who did the exact same thing lol.
 
I think he'd win even with a free vote of Labour MPs, bearing in mind the "payroll vote" of MPs with ministerial and other "part of the government" roles. I wouldn't expect my MP to vote for an enquiry a week before local elections and without knowing who'd replace Starmer.

It all seems desperately thin anyway. A Tory MP on radio 4 today who thinks the case to answer is that Starmer said Olly Robbins was not under pressure re Mandelson's vetting and Robbins saying that he was under pressure. I doubt there's a smoking gun of Starmer emailing Robbins to say "you're being pressed to overrule any vetting doubts".
 
hampshireblue said:
I don't know if you do it deliberately but you have chosen to ignore the post that states that whilst the government did initially have a small boost to it's revenues, there has been a subsequent reduction in vehicle usage and the amount taken in in fuel revenue is now at a 3 year low. Policy shouldn't be decided on the day-to-day fluctuations of any tax intake. Yes, all road users are hurting at the moment but as my previous post stated, your ire would be more useful directed at the big corporations who are now sqealing about their increased costs despite having taken the piss out of the consumer for years. For example fuel retailers have more than doubled their margins since 2017. That in itself leads to the government gaining more VAT, but in that case as a direct result of the retailers and nothing the government has actively done. By all means be angry, but be angry at the right culprit.
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Right on cue!

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...iran-war-oil-price-stock-markets-live-updates
 
Vic said:
I think he'd win even with a free vote of Labour MPs, bearing in mind the "payroll vote" of MPs with ministerial and other "part of the government" roles. I wouldn't expect my MP to vote for an enquiry a week before local elections and without knowing who'd replace Starmer.

It all seems desperately thin anyway. A Tory MP on radio 4 today who thinks the case to answer is that Starmer said Olly Robbins was not under pressure re Mandelson's vetting and Robbins saying that he was under pressure. I doubt there's a smoking gun of Starmer emailing Robbins to say "you're being pressed to overrule any vetting doubts".
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It’s clever politics from the Tories. Telling MPs to vote against it just says to people “I’ve got something to hide” irrespective of the reality. If now Labour MPs vote sufficiently for it to pass then it shows he has no control over the party.

Starmer and Labour would have done exactly the same as the tories if the shoe was on the other foot and I’d be saying the same thing, it’s clever politics.
 
hampshireblue said:
I don't know if you do it deliberately but you have chosen to ignore the post that states that whilst the government did initially have a small boost to it's revenues, there has been a subsequent reduction in vehicle usage and the amount taken in in fuel revenue is now at a 3 year low. Policy shouldn't be decided on the day-to-day fluctuations of any tax intake. Yes, all road users are hurting at the moment but as my previous post stated, your ire would be more useful directed at the big corporations who are now sqealing about their increased costs despite having taken the piss out of the consumer for years. For example fuel retailers have more than doubled their margins since 2017. That in itself leads to the government gaining more VAT, but in that case as a direct result of the retailers and nothing the government has actively done. By all means be angry, but be angry at the right culprit.
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Retailer margin will include covering wages, impacted by increases to minimum wage and NI so to say government policy has nothing to do with it isn’t true.

In the overall scheme of things retailer margin pales in to insignificance compared to tax element - which I don’t particularly find a fair tax as it’s not really progressive and impacts us all irrespective of ability to pay.
 
SMB75 said:
On a side note does anyone know why our national day is not a bank holiday?
We must be one of the few countries that has to work on it's national day.
How are we meant to be patriotic if we have to work?
Never understood this.
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In today’s difficult employment market I’m astonished thick twats like you even have a job to go to.
 
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