Pep to leave at the end of the season

The more you read about Chelsea and Maresca the more you realise that place is a circus more than a football club. He did well to win what he did.

Yeah, that's my take on it too. The fact that they were basically trying to force him to pick certain players to increase their value in preparation for a sale is wild. The other thing which I think will go in Maresca's favour is if you look at the full season he has at Chelsea, they finish on 69 pointes, 2 behind City and in the CL places. Whilst that may not be a spectacular season, considering the relative quality of the squad, it isn't the performance of a shit coach either.
 
Of course they will - absolutely.

And Maresca may well be more than up to meeting those expectations. Obviously the intention won’t be to appoint someone they don’t think can do the job.

But there is a school of thought in replacing long-tenured people in senior positions, that the very best don’t necessarily want to follow immediately - as it’s still all about their predecessor, and the succession.

That the slate needs to be cleared of all that noise and consternation, which then allows the real successor to come in and do the job properly.

I used to work for a company that did complex psychometric profiling of potential senior appointments in business, and we used to advise on recruiting leaders/CEOs with specific characteristics at different stages of a company’s growth, and this exact scenario was widely discussed - how to replace a founder/tenured leader.

The very best candidates don’t really want the job straight after, and will look to follow the one that follows.

Fuck knows - Marseca could surprise us all, stay for a decade, and surpass Pep’s stellar achievements. I hope he does.

But the same scenario I’m describing could just as easily play out - and there’s plenty of precedent for it, both within football and outside of the game.

Yeah I can completely see the point you're making regarding the very best being reluctant to follow such a big personality. If you look across the footballing landscape, who would you say are the very best candidates to manage City (realistic ones so obviously not Klopp)?

My general feeling is that outside Vinny/Luis Enrique there's not really a single manager who I'd say is an obvious outstanding candidate.
 
Yeah, that's my take on it too. The fact that they were basically trying to force him to pick certain players to increase their value in preparation for a sale is wild. The other thing which I think will go in Maresca's favour is if you look at the full season he has at Chelsea, they finish on 69 pointes, 2 behind City and in the CL places. Whilst that may not be a spectacular season, considering the relative quality of the squad, it isn't the performance of a shit coach either.

He did that with squad he didn’t really want if you go by what was reported. Half those players he had zero input in.

If you go by Maresca talking about his tactics his system requires output from the wings. They got him Garnacho and Gittens which he didn’t have an opinon in, he wanted an experienced centre back they gave him Hato a 20 year old from Ajax.

It’s just mind blowing, I don’t know what they are doing at Chelsea , here he’d have the right to pick who he wants in a stable environment.
 
He did that with squad he didn’t really want if you go by what was reported. Half those players he had zero input in.

If you go by Maresca talking about his tactics his system requires output from the wings. They got him Garnacho and Gittens which he didn’t have an opinon in, he wanted an experienced centre back they gave him Hato a 20 year old from Ajax.

It’s just mind blowing, I don’t know what they are doing at Chelsea , here he’d have the right to pick who he wants in a stable environment.
Maresca will love Sav then….
 
Indeed. The "he was trained by Pep", "knows the club inside out" etc opinions are being repeated until they become fact by those who are trying to convince themselves (and others) that a potential Maresca appointment would absolutely be the right and only choice.

Yet no-one who is hanging their hat on that criteria is suggesting Domenec Torrent, who spent much more time at City, has worked under Pep at three different clubs, and also worked in other roles as part of CFG.

Not that I'm advocating for Torrent to be our next manager but you get my point......
And some assistants don't want to manage.
 
Yeah I can completely see the point you're making regarding the very best being reluctant to follow such a big personality. If you look across the footballing landscape, who would you say are the very best candidates to manage City (realistic ones so obviously not Klopp)?

My general feeling is that outside Vinny/Luis Enrique there's not really a single manager who I'd say is an obvious outstanding candidate.
One of the biggest positives about Maresca for me is he's been chucked in at the Deep end as a manager a couple of times and he hasn't wilted.

His resume before getting the Leicester job was managing citys under 23s, getting sacked at Parma in Serie B and being assistant to Pep for a year. Not really the resume of someone you'd expect to be handed the gig of getting Leicester back in the Prem. He goes and wins the Championship.

Then it's a huge jump straight to a top 4 premier league side who Pochettino had finishing 6th the season before. Everyone knows the pressure at Chelsea and how much of a basket case they are. They finished 4th and won 2 trophies. People can debate how big those trophies are but they are the only two Chelsea have won under Boehlys ownership. This is all with Nicholas Jackson as his main striker that season!

Following Pep at City would be another big step up in his career but he's been meeting expectations each time so hopefully that will be the case again.
 
Whoever Follows Pep is on a hiding to nothing, as soon as we loose a couple of games the pressure will be on from some sections of our support, A thankless task, so we better get Pep to sign a new long term deal :-)
 
Many people have worked with Pep over his time as a manager, the fact Maresca seems to have been earmarked as a possible successor tells us they saw something in him most of the others didn't have. Watched the video with Onhuoa and Lescott yeterday talking about Vinny and they said what he'd done with Andelecht and Burnley were irrelevant, before he ever managed anyone that knew him,just knew he'd be a very successful manager and he may have not been Bayerns first choice but once they'd interviewed him he would quickly have become their choice.
I have no idea ,none of do,but I do trust those at the club to have done their due dilligence.
It may also tell us the club have liked other coaches who’ve worked under Pep and approached them to take over, but they don’t fancy it.
 
I don't agree on this idea that the job is a poison chalice for the next guy. Moyes was the wrong kind of continuity candidate in that football had moved on from Ferguson, and Ferguson tried to get a younger version of himself installed. Emery was nothing like Wenger and was entering a club that was basically in relative free fall with a shit squad and an ownership that wasn't on the same page.

At City, whoever takes the job will be expected to win from the off. The squad is in incredible shape and will have another summer of big investment in it. The training facilities are the best in the league. If you've seen what Laporte said, you don't realise how good you have it at City until you leave. The reality is that Maresca or anyone taking over from Pep this summer or next, is going to have big expectations placed upon them. And rightly so.
I agree here. This job is as far from a poisoned chalice as you can get. Any high level coach in their right mind would be all over it should they be offered it.
 
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Of course they will - absolutely.

And Maresca may well be more than up to meeting those expectations. Obviously the intention won’t be to appoint someone they don’t think can do the job.

But there is a school of thought in replacing long-tenured people in senior positions, that the very best don’t necessarily want to follow immediately - as it’s still all about their predecessor, and the succession.

That the slate needs to be cleared of all that noise and consternation, which then allows the real successor to come in and do the job properly.

I used to work for a company that did complex psychometric profiling of potential senior appointments in business, and we used to advise on recruiting leaders/CEOs with specific characteristics at different stages of a company’s growth, and this exact scenario was widely discussed - how to replace a founder/long tenured leader.

The very best candidates don’t really want the job straight after, and will look to follow the one that follows. You need someone who will come in and do a competent job, holding performance more or less at level whilst the organisation goes through a significant period of change.

Fuck knows - Marseca could surprise us all, stay for a decade, and surpass Pep’s stellar achievements. I hope he does.

But the same scenario I’m describing could just as easily play out - and there’s plenty of precedent for it, both within football and outside of the game.
I disagree.

Any top level coach who hasn’t got the self confidence and minerals to want this job has a lack of mentality. They are already telling you they don’t back themselves and that would manifest in their performance and the players would sense it. You cannot have someone like that in charge of something of global importance.

Isn’t lack of mentality something City go to huge lengths to weed out in any recruitment process?

If you’re a top coach and you’re full of self belief you’d be knocking on the door and begging for this job.

Would we accept a top player we’re looking to sign saying erm I’m not sure yet let me go and have a season at Fulham and I’ll see how I get on?

Would we bollocks. Because their mentality is shit.

For this role, you simply do not bring in a placeholder. You go and get the right man.
 
Perhaps we did. Perhaps we didn’t. Perhaps the whole rumour of Pep getting off is bollocks. Perhaps the Maresca rumour is even bigger bollocks.

I stand by this mate - going from Pep to Maresca would make going from Baconface to Moyes look like a masterstroke.
That’s fair enough, but I think the club would have approached Vinnie prior to getting in touch with Maresca.

Like I’ve also said, it may be best to keep him there for a couple more seasons and let Maresca take the heat from being Pep’s successor.
 

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