Pep to leave at the end of the season

Burtonblue said:
Absolutely it will.
I still don’t see why Pep would not want to honour his contract at the very least.
The media have been persistent in doing their best to drive him out since the day he signed for us and are rubbing their hands at the thought given he has been with us for 10 yrs seeing it as some sort of landmark by which he should want to go.
He clearly loves the club, living in Manchester and the team rebuild is going well. Why in earth would he be so keen to go?
As for Maresca I just don’t get the hype. He is completely inexperienced and unproven as a top manager; why would City hire him ahead of others who are actual trophy winners??
It’s all media bullshit. I will be amazed if Pep leaves this season.
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Well in mate.
 
Stoned Rose said:
He was at city for about 5 minutes and trained the kids. Pep will have had very minimal input with him, mate.
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Indeed. The "he was trained by Pep", "knows the club inside out" etc opinions are being repeated until they become fact by those who are trying to convince themselves (and others) that a potential Maresca appointment would absolutely be the right and only choice.

Yet no-one who is hanging their hat on that criteria is suggesting Domenec Torrent, who spent much more time at City, has worked under Pep at three different clubs, and also worked in other roles as part of CFG.

Not that I'm advocating for Torrent to be our next manager but you get my point......
 
bluemoon32 said:
The thing i still don't understand and i apologise if it's been answered on here already but whilst we all knew the day would come when Pep left, why isn't he seeing out his contract, why is he walking away from his contract ?
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Maybe he is? I've looked into it and before City announced the 2 year extension, multiple journalists who put the news out that Pep had agreed an extension said that the contract was 1 year with the option of a second.

So if that's true that would just mean he's not taking up the option of doing another year.
 
Ban-jani said:
There’s no way of knowing it’s absolutely true but there’s a lot of rumours Maresca went mad at Chelsea and essentially got himself sacked by saying he wanted a move, because the board at Chelsea were interfering with his team selection and subs. He was picking and making decisions on merit, as any manager worth anything would, and the board wanted whoever they had paid the most for or had the biggest wages on the pitch, regardless of form or the situation. I don’t know if that was true but that’s the rumour.

I keep harping on about him so apologies for being the stuck record but the big Chelsea fan I work with knows his stuff, he posts on their main forum, has quite good connections and is the equivalent of one of our better and well known posters on here I reckon. Anyway, he says that’s what he’s heard, that Maresca had sporting decisions constantly questioned and ultimately they tried to make some for him, that’s when he exploded and got himself fired. He was furious when Maresca went and was angry at Blueco for allowing it.

Anyway on Pep’s successor, the only person who wouldn’t be a significant gamble is Enrique in my opinion, that’s realistic anyway. He’s the proven manager at the top level, that plays a style of football that could continue what Pep has done and would definitely win us the top prizes.

It maybe the case we can’t get him(?) and I’m not totally disappointed about Maresca, I’ll certainly give him a chance as he’s a good manager but for me it’s a Mancini/Pellegrini level appointment, which isn’t a bad thing, we’ve been lucky enough to have the greatest for 10 years and there’s only one of him.

It’ll be the best 10 years any of us will see again, don’t be sad it’s over, be happy it’s happened as they say!
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I. want Enrique as first choice, sadly I think the timings are off contracts wise, whoever come is gonna find it tpugh as Peps shaddow will be over them .

what we need to do is not make the rags mistake and have Pep hanging around in the first like the pissscan has and bisby did, let the next manager get on with it, and Pep have a nice holiday away for a year
 
urban genie said:
I. want Enrique as first choice, sadly I think the timings are off contracts wise, whoever come is gonna find it tpugh as Peps shaddow will be over them .

what we need to do is not make the rags mistake and have Pep hanging around in the first like the pissscan has and bisby did, let the next manager get on with it, and Pep have a nice holiday away for a year
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Convincing Pep to do one more year and then Enrique is the perfect scenario but doesn’t look like it’s happening.
 
Stoned Rose said:
One season as a part of Pep’s first team staff. Hardly going to turn him into a worthy successor.

Jaunma Lillo has worked under Pep for years, over two stints. On that basis, why not bring him in? Surely he’ll have absorbed Pep’s teachings?
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I didn't say it was, i was merely stating a fact that you seemed to have overlooked.
 
Stoned Rose said:
One season as a part of Pep’s first team staff. Hardly going to turn him into a worthy successor.

Jaunma Lillo has worked under Pep for years, over two stints. On that basis, why not bring him in? Surely he’ll have absorbed Pep’s teachings?
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Many people have worked with Pep over his time as a manager, the fact Maresca seems to have been earmarked as a possible successor tells us they saw something in him most of the others didn't have. Watched the video with Onhuoa and Lescott yeterday talking about Vinny and they said what he'd done with Andelecht and Burnley were irrelevant, before he ever managed anyone that knew him,just knew he'd be a very successful manager and he may have not been Bayerns first choice but once they'd interviewed him he would quickly have become their choice.
I have no idea ,none of do,but I do trust those at the club to have done their due dilligence.
 
blueparrot said:
Many people have worked with Pep over his time as a manager, the fact Maresca seems to have been earmarked as a possible successor tells us they saw something in him most of the others didn't have. Watched the video with Onhuoa and Lescott yeterday talking about Vinny and they said what he'd done with Andelecht and Burnley were irrelevant, before he ever managed anyone that knew him,just knew he'd be a very successful manager and he may have not been Bayerns first choice but once they'd interviewed him he would quickly have become their choice.
I have no idea ,none of do,but I do trust those at the club to have done their due dilligence.
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Honestly, a few months back I hated the idea of Maresca, but I've definitely softened a bit. He ticks a few practical boxes in that he knows the club, has worked with the senior players before, has managed in the league and got Chelsea into 4th. If you look at the direction of travel at Chelsea and Leicester after he left, it shows that he did a really good job at both clubs considering the circumstances. Plus the more that's come out from the players side at Chelsea, the more it seems they really rated him and didn't want him to go. As far as contingency plans go for this summer, it's not a bad one.

The big swing is Vinny, but if Pep hasn't decided what he's doing then you can't line that up for this summer. You need someone who is available and not in a big job. That basically means the pool is very small and Maresca may well be the best fit of that bunch. I also agree with you that Viana, Ferran, and especially Khaldoon will know what a big decision this is. If they do want to give it Maresca, it's because the rate him very fucking highly.
 
bluemc said:
Indeed. The "he was trained by Pep", "knows the club inside out" etc opinions are being repeated until they become fact by those who are trying to convince themselves (and others) that a potential Maresca appointment would absolutely be the right and only choice.

Yet no-one who is hanging their hat on that criteria is suggesting Domenec Torrent, who spent much more time at City, has worked under Pep at three different clubs, and also worked in other roles as part of CFG.

Not that I'm advocating for Torrent to be our next manager but you get my point......
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Torrent spent exactly the same amount of time at City as Maresca.

Two seasons.

Still don’t think Maresca is the right man for the job, but if Viana and Pep have decided he’s got what it takes - I’m prepared to get behind him.

He’s got a lot to prove though, and could be a bit of a Moyes/Emery for us - the palette cleanser after the Club legend, whose man role is to clear the way for the next guy.
 
BillyShears said:
Honestly, a few months back I hated the idea of Maresca, but I've definitely softened a bit. He ticks a few practical boxes in that he knows the club, has worked with the senior players before, has managed in the league and got Chelsea into 4th. If you look at the direction of travel at Chelsea and Leicester after he left, it shows that he did a really good job at both clubs considering the circumstances. Plus the more that's come out from the players side at Chelsea, the more it seems they really rated him and didn't want him to go. As far as contingency plans go for this summer, it's not a bad one.

The big swing is Vinny, but if Pep hasn't decided what he's doing then you can't line that up for this summer. You need someone who is available and not in a big job. That basically means the pool is very small and Maresca may well be the best fit of that bunch. I also agree with you that Viana, Ferran, and especially Khaldoon will know what a big decision this is. If they do want to give it Maresca, it's because the rate him very fucking highly.
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The more you read about Chelsea and Maresca the more you realise that place is a circus more than a football club. He did well to win what he did.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
He’s got a lot to prove though, and could be a bit of a Moyes/Emery for us - the palette cleanser after the Club legend, whose man role is to clear the way for the next guy.
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I don't agree on this idea that the job is a poison chalice for the next guy. Moyes was the wrong kind of continuity candidate in that football had moved on from Ferguson, and Ferguson tried to get a younger version of himself installed. Emery was nothing like Wenger and was entering a club that was basically in relative free fall with a shit squad and an ownership that wasn't on the same page.

At City, whoever takes the job will be expected to win from the off. The squad is in incredible shape and will have another summer of big investment in it. The training facilities are the best in the league. If you've seen what Laporte said, you don't realise how good you have it at City until you leave. The reality is that Maresca or anyone taking over from Pep this summer or next, is going to have big expectations placed upon them. And rightly so.
 
Chelsea board and owners wanted Maresca to play players based on their Value and not form. So the higher the transfer fee the player had to be in the first eleven that is crazy
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Torrent spent exactly the same amount of time at City as Maresca.

Two seasons.

Still don’t think Maresca is the right man for the job, but if Viana and Pep have decided he’s got what it takes - I’m prepared to get behind him.

He’s got a lot to prove though, and could be a bit of a Moyes/Emery for us - the palette cleanser after the Club legend, whose man role is to clear the way for the next guy.
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One big difference between Moyes and Emery that is different for whoever comes next,they were taking over clubs that were where our squad was at the start of last season,squads that had run out of road. Our squad at the start of next season will have had a full overhaul ,is young and balanced experienced players that have won trophies,and need very little tweaking from the next manager over the coming years.
 
BillyShears said:
I don't agree on this idea that the job is a poison chalice for the next guy. Moyes was the wrong kind of continuity candidate in that football had moved on from Ferguson, and Ferguson tried to get a younger version of himself installed. Emery was nothing like Wenger and was entering a club that was basically in relative free fall with a shit squad and an ownership that wasn't on the same page.

At City, whoever takes the job will be expected to win from the off. The squad is in incredible shape and will have another summer of big investment in it. The training facilities are the best in the league. If you've seen what Laporte said, you don't realise how good you have it at City until you leave. The reality is that Maresca or anyone taking over from Pep this summer or next, is going to have big expectations placed upon them. And rightly so.
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Of course they will - absolutely.

And Maresca may well be more than up to meeting those expectations. Obviously the intention won’t be to appoint someone they don’t think can do the job.

But there is a school of thought in replacing long-tenured people in senior positions, that the very best don’t necessarily want to follow immediately - as it’s still all about their predecessor, and the succession.

That the slate needs to be cleared of all that noise and consternation, which then allows the real successor to come in and do the job properly.

I used to work for a company that did complex psychometric profiling of potential senior appointments in business, and we used to advise on recruiting leaders/CEOs with specific characteristics at different stages of a company’s growth, and this exact scenario was widely discussed - how to replace a founder/long tenured leader.

The very best candidates don’t really want the job straight after, and will look to follow the one that follows. You need someone who will come in and do a competent job, holding performance more or less at level whilst the organisation goes through a significant period of change.

Fuck knows - Marseca could surprise us all, stay for a decade, and surpass Pep’s stellar achievements. I hope he does.

But the same scenario I’m describing could just as easily play out - and there’s plenty of precedent for it, both within football and outside of the game.
 
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