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Ban-jani said:
161 pubs have closed since the tax increases and it’s a 26% increase on the same timescale prior to the tax rise.

I appreciate we have a very large deficit and public spending needs to be funded but surely this is counter productive and will eventually lead to a net loss of tax gained from hospitality?
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Just shy of 2 pubs a day closing but after frequenting the thread specifically on pubs it seems some are happy to let a lot pubs disappear.
 
Ban-jani said:
161 pubs have closed since the tax increases and it’s a 26% increase on the same timescale prior to the tax rise.

I appreciate we have a very large deficit and public spending needs to be funded but surely this is counter productive and will eventually lead to a net loss of tax gained from hospitality?
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Don't want us plebs socialising and realising the world is different from what our personalised algorithms. So the "sane ones" come together and do something about it.

It's a frightening situation. My old town had 2 pubs and 2 social clubs in it 20 years ago. It now has one and the landlord is only keeping that going through his catering business. We need the pubs in our towns.
 
hilts said:
Just shy of 2 pubs a day closing but after frequenting the thread specifically on pubs it seems some are happy to let a lot pubs disappear.
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I blame social media.

If its looks old it's full of "Angry boomers" so the kids avoid it for the bullshit chains in the cities along with their plastic Irish bars.
 
Ban-jani said:
161 pubs have closed since the tax increases and it’s a 26% increase on the same timescale prior to the tax rise.

I appreciate we have a very large deficit and public spending needs to be funded but surely this is counter productive and will eventually lead to a net loss of tax gained from hospitality?
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An interesting article on the decline of the British pub.

‘A frequent argument from trade groups, who typically argue for lower taxes and less regulation, is that declining pub numbers means job losses. Recent figures simply do not support that. While pub numbers have been falling, the number of people employed in pubs and bars has stayed very stable since 2001, and actually increased over the past decade.’

www.ias.org.uk

Is the Great British Pub on the verge of extinction? The truth behind the headlines - Institute of Alcohol Studies

Media headlines often suggest that British pubs are in terminal decline. But is that true?
www.ias.org.uk www.ias.org.uk
 
BobKowalski said:
An interesting article on the decline of the British pub.

‘A frequent argument from trade groups, who typically argue for lower taxes and less regulation, is that declining pub numbers means job losses. Recent figures simply do not support that. While pub numbers have been falling, the number of people employed in pubs and bars has stayed very stable since 2001, and actually increased over the past decade.’

www.ias.org.uk

Is the Great British Pub on the verge of extinction? The truth behind the headlines - Institute of Alcohol Studies

Media headlines often suggest that British pubs are in terminal decline. But is that true?
www.ias.org.uk www.ias.org.uk
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I suppose it’s the way you frame all this doom and gloom. Read an article a couple of months back which said that even though there are a number of pubs closing, there were near enough the same amount opening, with the difference being about 200 less pubs over last year.

Pubs, like anything else, go through trends. A lot of people no longer frequent the old boozer and prefer things a little bit more modern, or where they can get a meal for their family.

Always amazes me when you see the bars packed in big retail centres like the Trafford Centre. I go there to do some shopping, others go there for a day out.
 
Palerider said:
As bad as Labour are they are still the best option in the local elections. The Tories next best. Reform and the Greens are both non starters for me as both seem to be completely infested with racists.
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Where I am the County Council has been solid Tory for ever and I have no complaints at their performance on local matters and governance. That it is likely to fall to Reform is insane, but that’s where we are I guess.
 
BobKowalski said:
Where I am the County Council has been solid Tory for ever and I have no complaints at their performance on local matters and governance. That it is likely to fall to Reform is insane, but that’s where we are I guess.
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It looks like Reform will be the big winners on the night though how many outright controls they get versus minority leadership remains to be seen.

I live in what was has been a Reform controlled council for a year now and they've failed to deliver anything yet. They spend half their time trying to stabilise the council when one of them has to resign or gets kicked out for being overtly racist or decides it's too much like hard work etc.

Farage came and planted flowers in the potholes as a publicity stunt in the run up to them being elected. If that's the measure they want to highlight it's unfortunate because the pothole situation has actually got significantly worse in the last 12 months as they've put off repairs; a sore point for me as I'm about to phone the garage for a second wrecked tyre in the last 2 months.

Obviously it takes time for a new party to develop experience but there's no evidence they can improve their performance. They are completely out of their depth and plenty of decent councillors who had been doing a difficult job at least to some level of competence have been thrown over the side to make way for them.

Despite their failure in local government their client press will probably help maintain a national narrative that results in a Reform/Conservative coalition after the next election. At which point we can look forward to the bond markets response to people who make Truss and Kwarteng seem quite sane.
 
threespires said:
It looks like Reform will be the big winners on the night though how many outright controls they get versus minority leadership remains to be seen.

I live in what was has been a Reform controlled council for a year now and they've failed to deliver anything yet. They spend half their time trying to stabilise the council when one of them has to resign or gets kicked out for being overtly racist or decides it's too much like hard work etc.

Farage came and planted flowers in the potholes as a publicity stunt in the run up to them being elected. If that's the measure they want to highlight it's unfortunate because the pothole situation has actually got significantly worse in the last 12 months as they've put off repairs; a sore point for me as I'm about to phone the garage for a second wrecked tyre in the last 2 months.

Obviously it takes time for a new party to develop experience but there's no evidence they can improve their performance. They are completely out of their depth and plenty of decent councillors who had been doing a difficult job at least to some level of competence have been thrown over the side to make way for them.

Despite their failure in local government their client press will probably help maintain a national narrative that results in a Reform/Conservative coalition after the next election. At which point we can look forward to the bond markets response to people who make Truss and Kwarteng seem quite sane.
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Putting in the hard miles to make and run a local council properly is not what Reform are interested in. I have no idea why people wish to punish Tory councillors in my area given they are doing a reasonable job and the Tories are not in power nationally. I have asked and best I got was ‘it’s time for a change’. I assume they are not talking about bin collection days.

I guess judging local politicians on local matters is far too simplistic for our complex times :)
 
BobKowalski said:
Where I am the County Council has been solid Tory for ever and I have no complaints at their performance on local matters and governance. That it is likely to fall to Reform is insane, but that’s where we are I guess.
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Agreed. At Council level, whilst democracy and voting is important, it's really financial competence that dictates success. Voting to change a competent council, regardless of party politics, seems lunacy. I'm quite happy with Labour controlled Manchester who seem to have grown out of their loony left stage a few decades ago.
 
Our local Tory party have been extremely high profile, with every post, leaflet and article attacking the local Green party. Nothing about what they'd do, just the attack on the others.
In the last leaflet, they highlighted 10 facts about the Greeens - a simple fact check revealed 8 of them to be false, 1 to be an opinion rather than fact and 1 broadly right.
 
Don Karleone said:


Lovely people.
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The smear machine cranking up to full throttle .... for a set of locals. Desperate stuff.

Every word of this from Paul Holden .... except it's not just the tabloids enjoying the feeding frenzy

If I was a Labour councillor facing election tomorrow, I'd be pretty furious at the national party's election campaign. The day before a seismic, potentially existential election and what do they have? Steve Reed handing about a dodgy smear dossier that only the tabloids will touch... because what voters would really like to hear about is how the people that made Peter Mandelson the UK's Ambassador to the US are concerned about ANOTHER Party's vetting practices.Fortunately for those who have watched the Labour Together project from its early 'Corbyn's Hate Factory' days, its a real classic of the genre! An irresponsible, sensationalist and counterproductive hit-job that makes fighting antisemitism more difficult, mixing in real and serious cases with risible nonsense. This was exactly the sort of toxic cocktail that made the Labour Party antisemitism crisis such a disaster, and which led people to believe that every allegation of antisemitism was made in bad faith for party-political and factional ends.

..........

More seriously, this dossier is precisely why the Starmer/McSweeney/Reed/Labour Together project is dying, and why it deserves to die. It is obvious that this dossier would be picked up and reported in the most alarmist tones - sending the message to Jewish people in the UK that there is an emergency of antisemitism unleashed by the rise of the Greens. In the wake of the horrific Golders Green attack, and in the absence of being able to make any cogent argument for why people should vote FOR them, the Labour Party inflames legitimate Jewish fears and drags the unbelievably important fight against antisemitism into the tabloid gutter. All of this sends the message to ordinary people who want to get involved in politics that, if you try to make your world a little bit better, the national government will wreck your reputation by smearing you to the press. The friends of Mandelson and Matthew Doyle will forgive themselves for all of their endless transgressions, but will wield their enormous power to attack you and your friends. It is grotesque, ugly, desperate stuff. This decade-long project deserves the trashbin of history, which is where voters will put them tomorrow.

 
BobKowalski said:
Where I am the County Council has been solid Tory for ever and I have no complaints at their performance on local matters and governance. That it is likely to fall to Reform is insane, but that’s where we are I guess.
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Flipped between Lib Dem and Tory where I am for local council. Been impressed with both although the last Tory was done for a gay sexting scandal with that Russian spy!

The Lib Dem has an office in the village and makes a huge effort as our former councillor and now MP.

Huge Lib Dem area and will likely go to them again.

They should be doing much better but Davey is a fucking plank in my opinion. He’s like the dad from Paddington Bear. A middle aged dad who asks a buffoon.
 
abu13 said:
Been a labour supporter all my life but cant bring myself to vote for them this time. I have always been of the opinion that you should use your vote but feel no alignment to any party at the moment.
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How have we 5 major parties (in England anyway) and I don’t like any of them, or find something at least significantly wrong with all(?)

I think they’re all hopeless cunts.
 
The future of British Politics will be coalitions.

Because fuck knows how any single party will get enough votes to govern.
 
abu13 said:
Been a labour supporter all my life but cant bring myself to vote for them this time. I have always been of the opinion that you should use your vote but feel no alignment to any party at the moment.
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What have they got wrong locally?
 
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