US & Israel attack Iran

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

We do our best to highlight the 10 thousand people who have died so far in an illegal invasion of Iran and Lebanon not forgetting the 76 thousand nameless people who died in an ongoing genocide of Gaza, the same invasion is happening to Lebanon and Iran.

What other way is there to express the continuing horror wrought on the Middle East, I include the UAE who are currently buying stocks of weapons in order to defend against Iranian bombs.

Every bomb Israel and America drop on Iran the remain countries have to protect themselves. “they’ve stuck a stick in a wasps nest” in a tit for tat. Meanwhile normal business is put on hold no fly zones causing havoc throughout the Middle East

The only winners are the weapons manufacturers eg Elbit systems.

Not to mention clingers on to Trump making money placing bets when bombs drop or if the cost of Brent crude goes up or down.

 

[Chasmcfc]

That is a very strange statement.
Do you mean you support the right of Israel to exist but denounce the violence ?

If memory serves, you have made a few strange, provocative comments on a number of issues, including in the main forum. Are you just seeking a negative reaction ?

It a big long winded to go into but do realise that Jews don’t actually support Zionism?

They actually believe there should be no Zionist state and don’t recognise the State of Israel
And do you know that Zionists and Jew
Is a oxymoron?

Fine you call them proactive statements
There just my opinion on things .

There open to debate this a forum after all where people can express opinions seen has provocative or not .

I love debate that’s that’s what a free speech is about .

If I caused any offence in my posts
That’s not my intention and sorry if I have

 

[oldius]

UK has overseen genocide of millions during colonization and carried out systemic looting that left the colonized in poverty and hunger through which they are still struggling.
British have been the best in whitewashing their atrocities so now they can easily point fingers at others.

The British Empire committed heinous crimes, certainly. Look at my later posts and you will see that I don't shy away from that historic position. Nevertheless, right now, the US and Israel is as bad as it gets.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Kirkstall, I agree with every word you say. I was merely highlighting posters had deviated from talking about 2 insane idiots wreaking havoc upon the Middle East and the world.
I merely wanted it back on topic.

The bit about the wasps nest was to highlight how little thought went into this attack/war

Back on topic :) I used your wasps nest analogy (hope you don’t mind) as a way of explaining how the carnage in the Middle East has no sign of ending soon. I think Trump doesn’t know how to get out and keeps on about “deals” ….Netanyahu is going to carry on until he runs out of weapons

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Back on topic :) I used your wasps nest analogy (hope you don’t mind) as a way of explaining how the carnage in the Middle East has no sign of ending soon. I think Trump doesn’t know how to get out and keeps on about “deals”

Of all the tedious things the **** repeatedly does, this is by some distance the most tedious.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

It a big long winded to go into but do realise that Jews don’t actually support Zionism?

They actually believe there should be no Zionist state and don’t recognise the State of Israel
And do you know that Zionists and Jew
Is a oxymoron?

Fine you call them proactive statements
There just my opinion on things .

There open to debate this a forum after all where people can express opinions seen has provocative or not .

I love debate that’s that’s what a free speech is about .

If I caused any offence in my posts
That’s not my intention and sorry if I have

Most of us know the difference between Jews and Zionists, but Zionists call themselves Jews or Zionist Christian’s.

I didn’t know Jews don’t recognise the state of Israel, it’s very confusing I think some do and some don’t, Starmer admits to being a Zionist and also a Jew he has family in Israel. He has kept us out of Trumps illegal war so that’s a good thing isn’t it ?

 

[BlueAnorak]

The Americans are the biggest terriost nation on the planet, closely followed by Israel.

Bigger than Iran? I think not.

 

[SWP's back]

Are you including the wars Europe started then pressured the US into joining?

You can fuck off and all.

 

[SWP's back]

Bigger than Iran? I think not.

100% yes. Name your metric.

 

[SWP's back]

As a Christian I support Israel
Do I support the Zionists state never

And you.

If you were a Christian and actually read the teaching of Jesus, the last fucking thing you’d do is support that genocidal terrorist regime in Israel. Give your head a fucking wobble.

 

[SWP's back]

UK has overseen genocide of millions during colonization and carried out systemic looting that left the colonized in poverty and hunger through which they are still struggling.
British have been the best in whitewashing their atrocities so now they can easily point fingers at others.

We are talking about modern cunts who are in power. None of us can do anything about shite that happen 250 years ago. It’s why no **** is having a go at the Italians for for what transpired two millennia ago.

 

[Snape]

It a big long winded to go into but do realise that Jews don’t actually support Zionism?

They actually believe there should be no Zionist state and don’t recognise the State of Israel
And do you know that Zionists and Jew
Is a oxymoron?

Fine you call them proactive statements
There just my opinion on things .

There open to debate this a forum after all where people can express opinions seen has provocative or not .

I love debate that’s that’s what a free speech is about .

If I caused any offence in my posts
That’s not my intention and sorry if I have

Have to push back on this a bit tbh. The idea that Jews broadly don't recognise Israel or oppose Zionism just doesn't stack up with the evidence. Pew Research found around 80% of American Jews, and there are more Jews in the US than anywhere else, say Israel is central to their Jewish identity. That's not a small number.

The groups that do reject Zionism on religious grounds, like Neturei Karta, are a tiny minority. They just get a lot of airtime at protests so people assume they represent the mainstream. They really don't.
Most Jews I'd say support Israel's right to exist but are genuinely split, sometimes very passionately, over what the Israeli government actually does.

 

[The blue phantom]

And you.

If you were a Christian and actually read the teaching of Jesus, the last fucking thing you’d do is support that genocidal terrorist regime in Israel. Give your head a fucking wobble.

The attacks on Christians is now rampant over there. Yet the money still rolls in from the American Evangelicals. Staggering.

Israel's right is returning to the original holy war: Against Christians | Opinion

A Rupture Between the "New" Israel and Europe, Stupidly Framed as a Holy War, Would Be Yet Another Loss of Judgment Under Netanyahu's and His Allies' Destructive Rule

www.haaretz.com

 

[bluejon]

We are talking about modern cunts who are in power. None of us can do anything about shite that happen 250 years ago. It’s why no **** is having a go at the Italians for for what transpired two millennia ago.

Speak for yourself, Caesar loving wankers can get fucked.

 

[Chasmcfc]

Ive been watching and reading so much about the Zionist word. There's Hundreds of thousands of Jews who despise Zionism. March with Anti Zionist placards.

Yes a lot of people don’t realise Zionism
Is a Atheist thyo

Have to push back on this a bit tbh. The idea that Jews broadly don't recognise Israel or oppose Zionism just doesn't stack up with the evidence. Pew Research found around 80% of American Jews, and there are more Jews in the US than anywhere else, say Israel is central to their Jewish identity. That's not a small number.

The groups that do reject Zionism on religious grounds, like Neturei Karta, are a tiny minority. They just get a lot of airtime at protests so people assume they represent the mainstream. They really don't.
Most Jews I'd say support Israel's right to exist but are genuinely split, sometimes very passionately, over what the Israeli government actually does.

yes they do believe that but do they actually believe that Zionism is actually Jewish that’s the question?
And you on religious grounds

Isn’t that what Jews are them that believe in the Torah.

Holy Scriptures?

 

[Chasmcfc]

The attacks on Christians is now rampant over there. Yet the money still rolls in from the American Evangelicals. Staggering.

Israel's right is returning to the original holy war: Against Christians | Opinion

A Rupture Between the "New" Israel and Europe, Stupidly Framed as a Holy War, Would Be Yet Another Loss of Judgment Under Netanyahu's and His Allies' Destructive Rule

www.haaretz.com

Is that to me please read what I said I said I don’t support Zionism?

I do not I believe Zionists have no right to Isreal

Hope I made it Clearer

 

[Chasmcfc]

Most of us know the difference between Jews and Zionists, but Zionists call themselves Jews or Zionist Christian’s.

I didn’t know Jews don’t recognise the state of Israel, it’s very confusing I think some do and some don’t, Starmer admits to being a Zionist and also a Jew he has family in Israel. He has kept us out of Trumps illegal war so that’s a good thing isn’t it ?

Starmer isn’t a Jew but is wife and Children are ,

The Jewish blood line comes from the Female that’s why his children are Jewish,

Yes it’s a Good thing Starmer isn’t at Trumps and the Zionists call

 

[WT86]

Just stating facts about the times the US has been at war.
It doesn't matter to me that it is the US - I have nothing against any particular nation, but as the history we were taught begins to be exposed, it is pretty clear that the US and UK have a great deal to answer for in terms of their colonisation and power and the use of it to manipulate nations for their own financial gain. The current 'Israeli campaign' in Lebanon has all the hallmarks of a capitalist expansion programme. I don't doubt that Jared Kushner will be involved in the kindly rebuilding of the region.

I don't think it is a fact that the US has been at war for 233 of its 250 years, unless you describe war incredibly broadly.

You are right that the US/UK/Europe have a lot to answer for but that's kind of my point. You're portraying the US as constantly at war without acknowledging why many of those wars started and the role European imperialism played in destabilizing the world, and the continued pressure on the US to act as a cat's paw to solve global problems (and Iran's behavior is a global problem). There's a lot of blame to go around in this situation.

 

[Chasmcfc]

And you.

If you were a Christian and actually read the teaching of Jesus, the last fucking thing you’d do is support that genocidal terrorist regime in Israel. Give your head a fucking wobble.

Please read what I said again
I do not support the Zionists state

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

That's not what they claimed. They claimed this -



And they're referring to this guy

And that was my question, which ex-IDF doctors, working in the NHS, have been murdering babies in Gaza?

Did that horrible twat kill babies in Gaza, and who are the other ones?