Thatcher had the oil from the North Sea coming on stream pretty soon after being elected.
No it was “early Thatcher” as in becoming Leader of the Opposition in 1975 deposing Heath - it was before the Winter of Discontent in 1979. It was quite a bit before the riots. Well worth a listen, I’d forgotten what dire straits we were in.early Thatcher for Manchester and other Cities was riot torn chaos and she didn't give a fuck.
She weaponised the police and made young people have no future to this day.
The 70s and 80s were the best argument for centrism we’ve had.No it was “early Thatcher” as in becoming Leader of the Opposition in 1975 deposing Heath - it was before the Winter of Discontent in 1979. It was quite a bit before the riots. Well worth a listen, I’d forgotten what dire straits we were in.
Maybe. Sorry for the long reply mate. I’m a bit bored at the moment and it’s cold and pissing down with rain :(The 70s and 80s were the best argument for centrism we’ve had.
We will end up going off topic if we continue this much more so think we need to agree to disagree. My view is whilst you say an awful lot right there, we’re still reeling from Thatcherism and the destruction of British industry. Whilst certain industries were failing when she came into power, she essentially set fire to the house to remove an infestation that could have been sorted by more pragmatism.Maybe. Sorry for the long reply mate. I’m a bit bored at the moment and it’s cold and pissing down with rain :(
For me the 1970’s were fucking awful. Country basically run by multiple, competing Trade Unions, endless strikes, silly demarcation disputes, Miners Strike, Powers Workers “work-to-rule”, 3-day week, rotating power cuts, shutdown at 1030pm, inflation at 30%, “Closed shop” employment, UK begging for international loans. An International laughing stock. My sisters family emigrated because BiL worked in the car industry and couldn’t take anymore. His brother followed a year after, then his parents. The plusses were heatwaves, music, City won trophies and I got married. And Wilson had kept us out of the Vietnam War.
The 80’s had riots, aggressive de-industrialisation as Thatcher let the Market cull uneconomic Companies - both my Dad and Father-in-Law lost their jobs as skilled tradesmen in heavy engineering, a very painful transition to a post-industrial, services economy. We had the 84/85 miners strike - which was always doomed as Thatcher had made sure since 1980 that the Power Plants had huge stockpiles of coal and essential chemicals. I had to cross picket lines of miners and steelworkers quite a few times to visit Yorkshire Power Stations - a tough experience especially on a Friday afternoon when they were half-pissed. Terrible unemployment especially amongst the young. Setting aside the Poll Tax disaster, things did start to improve in the late 80’s. Amongst the shit like Poll Tax, “Care in the Community” 3 million unemployed etc, and lacking empathy and compassion for the worse off. She restored economic sanity, secured inward investment - much of it Japanese - and was pivotal in bringing down the Soviet Union/freeing Eastern Europe. Paid off our War Debts.
The problems of the 1980 Britain would never have remotely fixed by consensus or centrism unfortunately - we were an utter basket case heading for inevitable collapse.
In 1998 Blair inherited a reasonably prosperous and thriving Country (Debt levels around 40/45% of GDP) unimaginable compared to 1979 - and now ! Sadly we’ve been sliding badly since 2008 and it’s getting worse. More to come I’m afraid.
Fair comment - I don't think we disagree on much. Back to topic...and popcorn.We will end up going off topic if we continue this much more so think we need to agree to disagree. My view is whilst you say an awful lot right there, we’re still reeling from Thatcherism and the destruction of British industry. Whilst certain industries were failing when she came into power, she essentially set fire to the house to remove an infestation that could have been sorted by more pragmatism.
Anyway, back on topic, looks as though Streeting is “making his move” as they say, popcorn at the ready!
I found myself saying "what again" during his speech, time and time again.The Kings speech pretty much illustrates the issue Labour have had from day one. Lots of seemingly well intended piecemeal stuff but nothing that simply and explicitly states the case that wealthy inequality has left the economy in a negative feedback loop and without fixing it we can't fix the economy.
The unions will leave. There are motions at various AGM's to do so.We are now seeing the challenges of the Labour party - the Unions and the real Left of the party vs the Centre left side. I can see this getting messy over the next few years.
The Kings speech pretty much illustrates the issue Labour have had from day one. Lots of seemingly well intended piecemeal stuff but nothing that simply and explicitly states the case that wealthy inequality has left the economy in a negative feedback loop and without fixing it we can't fix the economy.
So advocating for Palestine and against genocide is Islamist ?She ran as an independent backed by The Muslim Vote, which was a campaign pushing ummah politics, bloc voting on Gaza and pressuring seats with high Muslim populations.
Yes, it wasn’t calling for all out Sharia law, but it doesn't need to be to be classed as islamism. Its religious-aligned politics to advance group interests over integration.
Her near-miss in Ilford North and results elsewhere shows the strategy is working. If Wes runs in that seat in 2029 he is done.
What genocide?So advocating for Palestine and against genocide is Islamist ?
Fucking hell you’re in for a barrage of shit daring to say that on here mate, you’re a braver man than me.What genocide?
Civilian casualties in Gaza, while high, do not prove a specific intent to destroy the group in whole or in part, which is required for a legal definition of genocide.
The UK government has stated that it does not consider the actions in Gaza to constitute genocide.
I've been persona non grata in here ever since I stated that a woman doesn't have a penis so no worries.Fucking hell you’re in for a barrage of shit daring to say that on here mate, you’re a braver man than me.
Not necessarily.If Wes goes for it tomorrow and gets the numbers the Labour Party are facing a wipeout.
I don’t think the government are saying anything either way and even when they have it’s been months or nearly a year out of date in time frame. Plenty of people including Jews and experts think it is a genocide but regardless of it being a genocide or not opposing one and supporting a Palestinian state is not Islamist if it is then that says something worrying about things that are not Islamist would also make the Greens and I guess the lib dems IslamistWhat genocide?
Civilian casualties in Gaza, while high, do not prove a specific intent to destroy the group in whole or in part, which is required for a legal definition of genocide.
The UK government has stated that it does not consider the actions in Gaza to constitute genocide.
Even the organisation to promote the work of the man who coined the term "genocide" thinks it's genocide.I don’t think the government are saying anything either way and even when they have it’s been months or nearly a year out of date in time frame. Plenty of people including Jews and experts think it is a genocide but regardless of it being a genocide or not opposing one and supporting a Palestinian state is not Islamist if it is then that says something worrying about things that are not Islamist would also make the Greens and I guess the lib dems Islamist