Makerfield By - Election. Burnham v Reform

I think his analysis is sound.

Doing something effective about it is, as in the script of Amadeus, 'a challenge', especially within less than three years. It's a job for maybe two decades, and we have a very impatient electorate. No politician has a magic wand, and that's what people really want.
I don’t know how realistic it is to nationalise the gas, electricity and telecoms industries, but putting in a timetable for it to happen over 5 years would be a good start.

Then change the tax bands so it gives a bit of a lift to lower paid workers.

Part 3 can be shutting the loopholes that allows mega corporations to dodge tax.

If he, or anybody else, can start to put together a plan that looks something like that, then I think they’d have a lot of support.
 
Correct!

I believe the vast majority of voters who say immigration is the main issue really mean illegal immigration not immigration per say. And yes the Labour or Conservative Governments have failed to address this.

I fully support legal immigration and welcome anyone who wants to come here and work legitimately but we cannot be an "open house" for all and sundry to just pitch up and make demands it has to be totally controlled - believe me the first Party that achieves this will reap huge reward in terms of gaining votes and power.
If you’re supporting anyone who wants to come here then outside of pedantry you are not really controlling the issue and are very much operating an open house.
 
Pointless. Unless you think all the people who voted Reform because they'd decided they hated Starmer will vote Reform to make sure Starmer stays as PM.
You think Andy hopes 'disaggregating neo-liberalism' will resonate in the ears of Wigan folk?
(That's what the brainy bloke who resigned his Makerfield seat just said on Kuensberg btw)
 
You think Andy hopes 'disaggregating neo-liberalism' will resonate in the ears of Wigan folk?
(That's what the brainy bloke who resigned his Makerfield seat just said on Kuensberg btw)
I don't gamble but I'd offer long odds against Burnham talking about disaggregating neoliberalism on a doorstep anywhere. Even in Islington.
 
Correct!

I believe the vast majority of voters who say immigration is the main issue really mean illegal immigration not immigration per say. And yes the Labour or Conservative Governments have failed to address this.

I fully support legal immigration and welcome anyone who wants to come here and work legitimately but we cannot be an "open house" for all and sundry to just pitch up and make demands it has to be totally controlled - believe me the first Party that achieves this will reap huge reward in terms of gaining votes and power.
I don't agree that considering legitimate asylum applications is "open house" but as legal migration and "illegal migration" are both much reduced this year I am glad you think Labour will reap the rewards. Personally, I think the anti-immigration forces are deaf to things like statistics.
 
To an extent. It is also a traditional Labour hot-spot. Burnham is a localish fella and Reform will probably parachute someone from nowhere near in.
I expect the media will push Burnham here as they will want the leadership contest.
There will be a lot of hot air in the interim. But, I fancy Burnham to win easily in the end.
Most of the media will be torn between (a) supporting their owner's bias and (b) doing what sells most papers / gets most clicks.
 
Andy Burnham has said:

"I think Britain has been on the wrong path for 40 years, it started de-industrialisation, de-regulation of the buses, privatisation of life's essentials."

If he has a plan to start sorting that out, he’d get my vote.
By chance, this week I came across an old article by George Monbiot about the false economy of austerity. To counter the "tax and spend" concerns (and how the markets play their hand) this could be a part of a proper rethink about how things are done.

 
By chance, this week I came across an old article by George Monbiot about the false economy of austerity. To counter the "tax and spend" concerns (and how the markets play their hand) this could be a part of a proper rethink about how things are done.

Your beginning to sound a bit Green Vic, you need a dose of Will Self perhaps (27'30' in)

 
Andy Burnham has said:

"I think Britain has been on the wrong path for 40 years, it started de-industrialisation, de-regulation of the buses, privatisation of life's essentials."

If he has a plan to start sorting that out, he’d get my vote.
Bloody hell he can’t even sort the shitty Metrolink out.
 
Need to update your decoder perhaps ;-)


Sorry, what?

I didn't hear him mention neoliberalism.

It's a bit odd for you to put words in his mouth that he's unlikely to use, then dig deeper by suggesting that's what he actually means. Pointless even.
 
At least you admit Manchester is in the shit with the current Scouse incombent.

I'd say the entire country is in the shit from the absolute destruction the Tories waged over the best part of two decades.

Him being Scouse has nothing to do with it. He's done his job well. More than can be said about the rest of the cunts that call themselves politicians
 
I'd say the entire country is in the shit from the absolute destruction the Tories waged over the best part of two decades.

Him being Scouse has nothing to do with it. He's done his job well. More than can be said about the rest of the cunts that call themselves politicians
He is not a Mancunian and was always going to go at the speed of Usain Bolt as soon as he thought the keys of No.10 were waiting for him.
 

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