Makerfield By - Election. Burnham v Reform

Chappie said:
What has been offered to the present incumbent to step aside.
Which sane person would walk away from potential earnings of £300000 over the next 3 years .
Very interesting to know the answer to this one.
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Did he stick his hand up and take one for the team?
Was he approached?

Politics is a murky world
 
nicko said:
General public do not like being asked to help a politician achieve his personal political aims. Enough labour supporters will feel Starmer has a 5 year mandate and don’t want this Tory style internal fighting. Burnham will lose big in this by election. All Tories, lib dems, greens, keep starmers and subversives, anti establishment will vote reform. Add these to the already voting reform it won’t be close. No way the public will do Andy a favour.
Also how is he the knight in shining armour that will rescue Britain? His main strength seems to be he’s not in Westminster. When he was a minister he was ordinary and ineffective
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You honestly think any Libdem is ever voting Reform?
 
I’m sure General Starmer is about to stitch up Burnham.

I wonder if history is about to repeat itself…

The 1965 Leyton by-election was a Parliamentary by-election-held on 21 January 1965 for the UK House of Commons constituency of Leyton in east London.

The seat had become vacant when the constituency's long-serving Labour (MP), Regineld Sorensen was made a Life peer on 15 December 1964.

An MP for over thirty years, his elevation to the peerage was intended to create a vacancy in a Safe seat for Patrick Gordon Walker who had been defeated in a shock result in the 1964 General Election in his Smethwick constituency

The result of the contest was not as planned: the Conservative candidate, Ronald Buxton won by 205 votes, a swing from Labour of 8.7%.

Gordon Walker resigned as Foreign Secretary but regained the seat for Labour at the 1966 General Election.
 
yeseye said:
I’m sure General Starmer is about to stitch up Burnham.

I wonder if history is about to repeat itself…

The 1965 Leyton by-election was a Parliamentary by-election-held on 21 January 1965 for the UK House of Commons constituency of Leyton in east London.

The seat had become vacant when the constituency's long-serving Labour (MP), Regineld Sorensen was made a Life peer on 15 December 1964.

An MP for over thirty years, his elevation to the peerage was intended to create a vacancy in a Safe seat for Patrick Gordon Walker who had been defeated in a shock result in the 1964 General Election in his Smethwick constituency

The result of the contest was not as planned: the Conservative candidate, Ronald Buxton won by 205 votes, a swing from Labour of 8.7%.

Gordon Walker resigned as Foreign Secretary but regained the seat for Labour at the 1966 General Election.
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Smethwick was Oswald Mosley’s constituency.
 
Chappie said:
If the Tories step aside as you suggest the Green's should,that would probably result in a landslide for Reform.
Everyone should stand and let the electorate decide their's and their party's fate.
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I think Reform captured a sufficiently large proportion of the Conservative vote at the last election that I'm not sure the remaining rump would be decisive. It's how much of the Labour vote peels off to both Reform and the Greens that will define what happens.

The real thrust of my post was more about how we can get to point where a party has a sufficient mandate to enact sufficiently radical change to fix the country. I don't think any party can command that level of support any more; hence why I think we're going to have to enter an era of multi-party cooperation and alliances. Ideally we'd do that properly through electoral reform that meant everyone's vote counted but to get to that point we probably need some less formal alliances within the current system.
 
nicko said:
Ok. They will abstain but you get my point. In the same vain as Boaty Mac Boatface you try to tell the general public what they should do to help you out and they will delight in screwing you over.
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I think the vote will be tight, and lots of voters will be conflicted.

This is what national decline looks like. People floundering around for answers.
 
Burnham will be worse than Starmer. I hope the Monster Raving Loonies win the seat. They would have more joined up policies than burnham could ever dream up.
 
Chappie said:
What has been offered to the present incumbent to step aside.
Which sane person would walk away from potential earnings of £300000 over the next 3 years .
Very interesting to know the answer to this one.
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Burnham will have offered him a safe seat in the future if he gets in. Probably a plum job too
 
But what about the money he is losing while waiting for that opportunity.
He has a family and all the expenses that go with that.
Someone has got to be bankrolling him till that opportunity arises.
It could be along time before Burnham is pulling the strings if at all.
He is not certain to win this seat.
 
Don’t worry about Reform uk
While the bribery scandal is still ongoing
Can’t see Farage getting let of it,

And if a Tice tax investigation starts
Reform Party Goose is well and truly cooked

The Crooks
 
Never really been Burnhams biggest fan but fair play to him it's a brave choice and it could blow up in his face but it could also pay off massively.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think the vote will be tight, and lots of voters will be conflicted.

This is what national decline looks like. People floundering around for answers.
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Burnham has to win, the same with Labour in the GM mayor's election, anything else is unthinkable for me.

People need to take a long hard look in the mirror, and decide who was the major advocate of national decline and self harm driven by Brexit?

Anyone thinking of giving the keys to Greater Manchester, and the Country at large, to farage and his gang of far right cronies has a screw loose. Only the rich and farage and his cronies will benefit.
 
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