Sir Tony Blair Wades In To The Fray

[gordondaviesmoustache]

His support of Trump has to raise serious questions. He must be compromised in some way. No other explanation bears any meaningful scrutiny.

 

[Earlyriser]

The hostility towards Blair on here is almost universal, let me be the one to point out that he is the most successful Labour leader in history in terms of keeping the party in power. His continuing appeal to the centre is probably well ahead of any of the candidates for PM.

Labour is going through one of its periods of not liking being in power. They much prefer fighting for the 'soul' of the party whatever that might mean. They are a bunch of pygmies which precisely matches a country that has become Lilliput

 

[johnny crossan]

Moreover, his perspective on the centre ground of British politics is hopelessly anachronistic, for various reasons.

Can you expand those reasons, tbh I'm puzzled by 'hopelessly anachronistic'.

 

[johnny crossan]

Labour is going through one of its periods of not liking being in power. They much prefer fighting for the 'soul' of the party whatever that might mean. They are a bunch of pygmies which precisely matches a country that has become Lilliput

That's a pretty bleak analysis and matches that of Blair I think when he talks about us being relegated from the PL of world powers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can you expand those reasons, tbh I'm puzzled by 'hopelessly anachronistic'.

He was PM when living standards were inexorably rising and most people thought things in society were broadly getting better. As they broadly had been for decades.

He applies that paradigm to his current perspective on the political landscape. It is hopelessly anachronistic.

Left, right, centre - most cunts think everything is shite, and getting discernibly worse. His perspective is not founded upon that reality.

And then there are his treacherous comments on Trump, who is plainly a security threat to the the UK and Europe. He’s plainly compromised in some way. And this is why I now think he’s a ****.

 

[Earlyriser]

That's a pretty bleak analysis and matches that of Blair I think when he talks about us being relegated from the PL of world powers.

Not a view I enjoy holding but the country as I see it. I'm struggling to think of sector where we have not become a tinpot country, healthcare in all aspects, transport, energy , defence, educational standards, law enforcement. Please tell me where I'm going wrong

 

[johnny crossan]

He was PM when living standards were inexorably rising and most people thought things in society were broadly getting better. As they broadly had been for decades.

He applies that paradigm to his current perspective on the political landscape. It is hopelessly anachronistic.

Left, right, centre - most cunts think everything is shite, and getting discernibly worse. His perspective is not founded upon that reality.

And then there are his treacherous comments on Trump, who is plainly a security threat to the the UK and Europe. He’s plainly compromised in some way. And this is why I now think he’s a ****.

Not sure you can disassociate him and his politics from the continued rise in living standards when he was in power. Especially when you see what the left had done to Callaghan previously, Blair's electoral popularity was predicated on Kinnock's defeat of Militant, Scargill et al - a path Starmer has tried to follow but the class warriors are all behind Burnham now, anxious to purify the party again.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

His support of Trump has to raise serious questions. He must be compromised in some way. No other explanation bears any meaningful scrutiny.

This ^.

Reeks of Israel.

 

[hilts]

The hostility towards Blair on here is almost universal, let me be the one to point out that he is the most successful Labour leader in history in terms of keeping the party in power. His continuing appeal to the centre is probably well ahead of any of the candidates for PM.

Thatcher was successful and she gets plenty of hostility, the centre isn"t what it used to be anymore. It had its chance and people are turning from its charade of being all things to all men(and women)

 

[Earlyriser]

Thatcher was successful and she gets plenty of hostility, the centre isn"t what it used to be anymore. It had its chance and people are turning from its charade of being all things to all men(and women)

Thatcher' s policies appeared to be successful at the time but in the long run they have been disastrous. They pandered to a section of the media which is even more powerful today

 

[mackenzie]

Labour is going through one of its periods of not liking being in power. They much prefer fighting for the 'soul' of the party whatever that might mean. They are a bunch of pygmies which precisely matches a country that has become Lilliput

I read recently that Labour love being in opposition because it means shouting at people.
Then when they get in power they shout at each other.

 

[johnny crossan]

Not a view I enjoy holding but the country as I see it. I'm struggling to think of sector where we have not become a tinpot country, healthcare in all aspects, transport, energy , defence, educational standards, law enforcement. Please tell me where I'm going wrong

As you say, sad but true. Globalization and rising population levels are inexorably increasing the competition for resources and we are currently among the losers.

 

[Postman Pep]

The hostility towards Blair on here is almost universal, let me be the one to point out that he is the most successful Labour leader in history in terms of keeping the party in power.

Like nobody knew any of that ...

His continuing appeal to the centre is probably well ahead of any of the candidates for PM.

Yet the hostility is almost universal ?

No wonder 'Centrism' is collapsing.

 

[mackenzie]

Not sure you can disassociate him and his politics from the continued rise in living standards when he was in power. Especially when you see what the left had done to Callaghan previously, Blair's electoral popularity was predicated on Kinnock's defeat of Militant, Scargill et al - a path Starmer has tried to follow but the class warriors are all behind Burnham now, anxious to purify the party again.

I didnt mind Blair at the time.
His Government brought in some improvements connected to the job I do. Much needed ones that actually made a difference.

 

[johnny crossan]

Like nobody knew any of that ...

Yet the hostility is almost universal ?

No wonder 'Centrism' is collapsing.

on here it is, along with the collapse 'Centrism' apparently (whatever that is)

 

[Postman Pep]

As you say, sad but true. Globalization and rising population levels are inexorably increasing the competition for resources and we are currently among the losers.

Imagine starting a thread on Blair and then moaning about globalisation ....

 

[johnny crossan]

Imagine starting a thread on Blair and then moaning about globalisation ....

not too difficult really.

 

[dave_blue12]

Show Tony the $ and he’ll trot out any old tosh.

 

[Postman Pep]

not too difficult really.

Clearly :)

 

[Postman Pep]

on here it is, along with the collapse 'Centrism' apparently (whatever that is)

You referenced his "continuing appeal to the centre" not me.

What is that based on? Does the podcast with the war propagandist and the ex spook have a comment section?