PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Godzilla]

Is this post clickbait, the image just seems to show the original charges?

 

[Tricky_Trev]

I struggle with the non-cooperation part a little here,surely if cleared of the more serious allegations,part of our defence is that there was a concerted campaign to prevent our development into the powerhouse we've become.
If it's accepted that the allegations are false then a level of non-cooperation was justified.

Yeah we’ll definitely argue whatever we can but my assumption is that we’ll be guilty of non-cooperation regardless since we were at CAS. Maybe it’s a silly assumption, I don’t know, but I’d have thought we’d have made the same arguments there too and we still had the non-cooperation fine.

 

[Blue_eyes]

I know fck all but, is there a chance that the panel has told City and the pl its verdict(cleared of all charges).

Then, given that it was decided the process should be carried out in private they are now dealing with the pl appeal against the decision before making a public announcement.

This would mean that both verdict and appeal result can all be announced in just one final statement, thus ending the whole witch hunt for good full stop.

This way City wouldnt have to endure more media and public "speculation" and hate during any appeal process after a panel verdict of none guilt.

Unlikely I know given how people spill the beans, but less likely to be leaked if we have won categorically, and could account for why the media are now ramping up their bile in one last effort to damage us while they still can without legal recourse.

The thought of it all carrying on after an announcement of guilt/non guilt is shit to be honest, although I do find this thread entertaining, even if not a single thing has officially happened for anyone to actually comment on in the 6537 pages.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I know fck all but, is there a chance that the panel has told City and the pl its verdict(cleared of all charges).

Then, given that it was decided the process should be carried out in private they are now dealing with the pl appeal against the decision before making a public announcement.

This would mean that both verdict and appeal result can all be announced in just one final statement, thus ending the whole witch hunt for good full stop.

This way City wouldnt have to endure more media and public "speculation" and hate during any appeal process after a panel verdict of none guilt.

Unlikely I know given how people spill the beans, but less likely to be leaked if we have won categorically, and could account for why the media are now ramping up their bile in one last effort to damage us while they still can without legal recourse.

The thought of it all carrying on after an announcement of guilt/non guilt is shit to be honest, although I do find this thread entertaining, even if not a single thing has officially happened for anyone to actually comment on in the 6537 pages.

It’s as good a theory as any other.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Me thinks if found guilty we definitely getting most likely a big fine and a two year transfer ban.

Which would probably set us back.

Username checks out.

 

[halfcenturyup]

It said in the verdict summary that that without mitigation the fine would have been doubled and a proper player transfer ban would have been applied. So the poster is right, precendent has been set

The various mitigations for cooperation were weird and wholly disproportionate but I found this wording to be more interesting:

"If the League had been put to proof by the club before a commission, it may have been difficult to establish, to the relevant standard, certain aspects of the rule breaches".

To me, as a layperson, that says the PL was fucked. It also says to me that the "difficulties" the PL had obtaining information from the previous owners of Chelsea would be the same "difficulties" the PL had obtaining information from third parties (ADUG and the sponsors) in the 115 case. And in City's case, it is made worse for the PL as the club can provide such third party information to the panel largely in the form and to the extent it considers necessary.

I still reckon they are fucked.

 

[ysmsa]

Not bothered with whatever happens, I would enjoy a romp through the Championship if that's what is ordered up. Some dodgy accounting, allegedly, can't take away the Yaya goal v Stoke or the Aguero moment or the Rodri banger, or the 4-in-a-row

You wouldn't be bothered to see City hammered and harshly treated for doing what everyone else has done.
Other Clubs get away with worse which results in rule changes after they get away with something, we are investigated for stuff that came out through criminal activaty.

Glad you are not part of our hierarchy, you'd have thrown the towel in on day 1.

 

[mike1923]

I know fck all but, is there a chance that the panel has told City and the pl its verdict(cleared of all charges).

Then, given that it was decided the process should be carried out in private they are now dealing with the pl appeal against the decision before making a public announcement.

This would mean that both verdict and appeal result can all be announced in just one final statement, thus ending the whole witch hunt for good full stop.

This way City wouldnt have to endure more media and public "speculation" and hate during any appeal process after a panel verdict of none guilt.

Unlikely I know given how people spill the beans, but less likely to be leaked if we have won categorically, and could account for why the media are now ramping up their bile in one last effort to damage us while they still can without legal recourse.

The thought of it all carrying on after an announcement of guilt/non guilt is shit to be honest, although I do find this thread entertaining, even if not a single thing has officially happened for anyone to actually comment on in the 6537 pages.

I would have thought if the PL were appealing, they’d have had to tell the other clubs in the league as they’re the ones picking up the bill for the legal fees. And it would definitely have leaked if that was the case

 

[ROBSH34]

There's a new Spielberg film called Disclosure Day being released on Wednesday 10th June. Perhaps he knows something that we all don't............

 

[Silva2-1]

Would City buy Anderson for around 100 million if we are guilty?

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

I think if we were fucked, the PL would’ve already leaked it to Ziegler and Ziegler would’ve already broken the exclusive of a lifetime.

Manchester City are still alive here.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I have a thing on Claude AI where it retrieves the news and social media and reports back on new info around the charges. Today I asked it to find me news and opinion on what happens if we are innocent :

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Good question — and honestly, it's a notable gap in media coverage. The vast majority of reporting focuses on the guilty scenarios.

Why the Media Largely Ignores the Innocent Outcome
Bluntly — it's less dramatic and there's less to write about. If City are cleared:

• No points deductions, no expulsion, no title stripping
• The Premier League would face serious questions about why it took 3+ years and cost tens of millions in legal fees
• Most football-finance commentators actually anticipate a partial finding rather than total acquittal or expulsion — so full innocence is the scenario fewest analysts are modelling Theesk

One notable exception: one lawyer on the Price of Football podcast argued City will be "found liable in breach of something," suggesting the sheer volume of charges makes a total clean sheet unlikely — though that's opinion, not inside knowledge. SPORTbible

The uncomfortable truth the media rarely confronts: if City are fully acquitted, the Premier League itself has a very awkward reckoning to face.

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[halfcenturyup]

I have a thing on Claude AI where it retrieves the news and social media and reports back on new info around the charges. Today I asked it to find me news and opinion on what happens if we are innocent :

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Good question — and honestly, it's a notable gap in media coverage. The vast majority of reporting focuses on the guilty scenarios.

Why the Media Largely Ignores the Innocent Outcome
Bluntly — it's less dramatic and there's less to write about. If City are cleared:

• No points deductions, no expulsion, no title stripping
• The Premier League would face serious questions about why it took 3+ years and cost tens of millions in legal fees
• Most football-finance commentators actually anticipate a partial finding rather than total acquittal or expulsion — so full innocence is the scenario fewest analysts are modelling Theesk

One notable exception: one lawyer on the Price of Football podcast argued City will be "found liable in breach of something," suggesting the sheer volume of charges makes a total clean sheet unlikely — though that's opinion, not inside knowledge. SPORTbible

The uncomfortable truth the media rarely confronts: if City are fully acquitted, the Premier League itself has a very awkward reckoning to face.

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Believes in Claude.
That's me. That's me.

 

[ysmsa]

Said it the other day, seems like it will get announced during the WC - we get proven not guilty, yes there will be uproar and piss boiling, but not as much if there was no distraction in place - all eyes on England and the WC

For the PL it will be even better if our national team are doing well

Considering we have 4 players with England that could be a monumental disaster.

It needs to be asap imo, so everyone can move on.

I fear it will be dragged into next season, purely for further disruption for us.

 

[Ban-jani]

Would City buy Anderson for around 100 million if we are guilty?

No and he wouldn’t go near us with a barge pole.

 

[Bez]

I have a thing on Claude AI where it retrieves the news and social media and reports back on new info around the charges. Today I asked it to find me news and opinion on what happens if we are innocent :

-------------------------------------------------------------
Good question — and honestly, it's a notable gap in media coverage. The vast majority of reporting focuses on the guilty scenarios.

Why the Media Largely Ignores the Innocent Outcome
Bluntly — it's less dramatic and there's less to write about. If City are cleared:

• No points deductions, no expulsion, no title stripping
• The Premier League would face serious questions about why it took 3+ years and cost tens of millions in legal fees
• Most football-finance commentators actually anticipate a partial finding rather than total acquittal or expulsion — so full innocence is the scenario fewest analysts are modelling Theesk

One notable exception: one lawyer on the Price of Football podcast argued City will be "found liable in breach of something," suggesting the sheer volume of charges makes a total clean sheet unlikely — though that's opinion, not inside knowledge. SPORTbible

The uncomfortable truth the media rarely confronts: if City are fully acquitted, the Premier League itself has a very awkward reckoning to face.

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I like the way the supposed football finance expert on the Price Of Football podcast has hedged their bets by saying that something has to land on City due to the sheer number of charges. Well, I could allege many things against one person and it might all be baloney or unproven so none of it should stick.

 

[ysmsa]

For a little light amusement just think of this.
At 9am next Monday the Premier League announce that there will be a news conference at 11am regarding the verdict.
Ric would be in total panic, ringing up every Mod, including the one that does fuck all in Australia. He'll be ringing up ex-Mods 'yes I know I said you were a tw*t but I need you back.'
He will be on the phone to XenForo to move 30,000 gigabytes from Pornhub to the BM server to try and cope.
His wife and kids will be sat by laptops that only have 2 working keys, Delete and Ban.
Then at 11.04 this place will resemble Terminator 2 as SkyNet takes over and all hell is let loose.

I shouldn't laugh .........

Is the mod in Australia a season ticket holder? Probably :-)

 

[Ban-jani]

I know fck all but, is there a chance that the panel has told City and the pl its verdict(cleared of all charges).

Then, given that it was decided the process should be carried out in private they are now dealing with the pl appeal against the decision before making a public announcement.

This would mean that both verdict and appeal result can all be announced in just one final statement, thus ending the whole witch hunt for good full stop.

This way City wouldnt have to endure more media and public "speculation" and hate during any appeal process after a panel verdict of none guilt.

Unlikely I know given how people spill the beans, but less likely to be leaked if we have won categorically, and could account for why the media are now ramping up their bile in one last effort to damage us while they still can without legal recourse.

The thought of it all carrying on after an announcement of guilt/non guilt is shit to be honest, although I do find this thread entertaining, even if not a single thing has officially happened for anyone to actually comment on in the 6537 pages.

One concern I have had before, at the back of my mind, is similar to this but the opposite, in that MCFC were found guilty of a number of them and it’s gone to the secondary punishment phase in private.

However, I have ruled that out due to MCFC’s behaviour in expanding the Eithad, extending high value player’s contracts, signing new players, agreeing stuff with Maresca and Anderson etc.

Your theory could well be it, but then again, weren’t Pannick and co. Pictured coming and going from the hearings by the media? They must have kept it very secret if an appeal is happening in the background now.

 

[Salford_Blue]

Personally I think the only Chelsea player that gets into our team is...wait for it...Cucurella. Get his hair cut and he would make a fine left back.

I have a thing on Claude AI where it retrieves the news and social media and reports back on new info around the charges. Today I asked it to find me news and opinion on what happens if we are innocent :

-------------------------------------------------------------
Good question — and honestly, it's a notable gap in media coverage. The vast majority of reporting focuses on the guilty scenarios.

Why the Media Largely Ignores the Innocent Outcome
Bluntly — it's less dramatic and there's less to write about. If City are cleared:

• No points deductions, no expulsion, no title stripping
• The Premier League would face serious questions about why it took 3+ years and cost tens of millions in legal fees
• Most football-finance commentators actually anticipate a partial finding rather than total acquittal or expulsion — so full innocence is the scenario fewest analysts are modelling Theesk

One notable exception: one lawyer on the Price of Football podcast argued City will be "found liable in breach of something," suggesting the sheer volume of charges makes a total clean sheet unlikely — though that's opinion, not inside knowledge. SPORTbible

The uncomfortable truth the media rarely confronts: if City are fully acquitted, the Premier League itself has a very awkward reckoning to face.

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I get you pal, but it can be summarised with one simple word.

Clicks

 

[Bozzie]

Yeah we’ll definitely argue whatever we can but my assumption is that we’ll be guilty of non-cooperation regardless since we were at CAS. Maybe it’s a silly assumption, I don’t know, but I’d have thought we’d have made the same arguments there too and we still had the non-cooperation fine.

I think there is a difference between the two situations regarding non-cooperation. We knowingly didn’t cooperate with UEFA because we, quite rightly, didn’t trust them with what we regarded as sensitive and confidential business information. We tried to bypass them and go straight to CAS which was refused. CAS did fine us for non-cooperation but reduced UEFA’s fine by 2/3rds to €10 million. I think that was because they were of the opinion that had we (City) presented UEFA with the evidence we presented to CAS then UEFA’s case would have collapsed. They also described the leaks from UEFA as “worrisome” iirc.
I think with the PL investigation we’ve again explored every possible legal avenue we can to retain control over our business details and stop the PL from going on a fishing expedition. That I guess could, and possibly will be, construed as ‘non-cooperation’.