Henry Nowak murder

Crouchinho said:
The plod in the UK, just like most of its citizens, are so obsessed with racism that all common sense gets thrown out the window. One little porkie pie and the old bill lap up the racism and let a lad bleed to death. The worst part it's not surprising. I get a feeling there is zero remorse too.
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Thats a pretty awful generalisation to make without having any insight into the reasons the police took the actions they made.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Having seen the video and the claims from the family Henry had not been stabbed, I’ve seen reports he gave the knife to his mum to hide, if that’s the case are they getting done for been accomplices?
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His mum is being charged with assisting an offender and his brother and dad are both facing multiple weapons charges.
 
argyle said:
Yes but why listen to calm and reasoned evidence when you can use the murderers skin colour and heritage to inflame and enrage for votes and money...
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I’m fairly confident most of the complaints are directed at the reverse racism used against Henry and not the murdering ****’s heritage. I bet there’s a few doing the latter, as there are racist thick cunts everywhere but the majority of complaints I’ve seen are directed at the police officer.
 
The left and right are different cheeks of the exact same arse to be honest as can be seen from the reactions to incidents like this dependant on who the victim/attacker is.

Just listens to Farage in the news and the **** is a disgrace. Utter fucking disgraceful what he has said and it’s nothing short of incitement.

Footage is awful regardless of who is the killer and victim.

RIP this lad and feel for his family.
 
moomba said:
Thats a pretty awful generalisation to make without having any insight into the reasons the police took the actions they made.
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I think it’s absolutely spot on in this particular case. I wouldn’t generalise the entire police force in the same way but this case is exactly as Crouchino said.
 
blueinsa said:
The left and right are different cheeks of the exact same arse to be honest as can be seen from the reactions to incidents like this dependant on who the victim/attacker is.

Just listens to Farage in the news and the **** is a disgrace. Utter fucking disgraceful what he has said and it’s nothing short of incitement.

Footage is awful regardless of who is the killer and victim.

RIP this lad and feel for his family.
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Yeah but that makes those in the middle the arsehole ;-)
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Let’s for a minute pretend he was not stabbed.

My question is why was he handcuffed in the first place?

Law enforcement officers generally handcuff subjects for the following reasons:
  • Preventing Violence: Restraining a subject's hands significantly reduces the risk of sudden attacks on officers or bystanders. [1, 2]
  • Deterring Escape: Handcuffing physical movement makes it extremely difficult to flee from custody. [1, 2]
  • Conducting a Safer Search: It prevents a subject from resisting, concealing weapons, or discarding/destroying vital evidence before it can be documented. [1, 2]
  • Safe Transport: Many police agencies enforce mandatory handcuffing policies during vehicle transport to ensure the detainee cannot interfere with the driver, open doors, or pose a threat during transit. [1]
Is there something he did which led them to handcuffing him straight away?
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Think the feeling is the perp and his family claimed he was racist and that it seemingly worked. I guess we don't know what the officer was thinking at the time.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m fairly confident most of the complaints are directed at the reverse racism used against Henry and not the murdering ****’s heritage. I bet there’s a few doing the latter, as there are racist thick cunts everywhere but the majority of complaints I’ve seen are directed at the police officer.
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So do we
1) allow an investigation to take place which affords the officer his right, or
2) decide his 'guilt' and form a lynch mob?
 
bert38 said:
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Thats from the Judge. Calm reasoned and evidenced.
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"I've been stabbed" - clear, visible wounds to face and body

Officers - "I struggle to grasp the seriousness of this situation..."

The judge sounds as much as a tool as the officers. No wonder the sentencing is up for review.
 
bert38 said:
So do we
1) allow an investigation to take place which affords the officer his right, or
2) decide his 'guilt' and form a lynch mob?
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Well based on your post from the judge, I don’t think we can be confident of 1 properly happening.

I hope to be proven wrong, though.

He’s guilty, it’s on camera and we have the footage. As I’ve said, he deserves whatever comes his way. Not that I am, or would ever, call for a “lynch mob”.
 
Metal Biker said:
"I've been stabbed" - clear, visible wounds to face and body

Officers - "I struggle to grasp the seriousness of this situation..."

The judge sounds as much as a tool as the officers. No wonder the sentencing is up for review.
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I missed the detail regarding 'clear visible wounds' to the body?
 
Ban-jani said:
Well based on your post from the judge, I don’t think we can be confident of 1 properly happening.

I hope to be proven wrong, though.

He’s guilty, it’s on camera and we have the footage. As I’ve said, he deserves whatever comes his way. Not that I am, or would ever, call for a “lynch mob”.
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but guilty of what? Making poor decisions? Making pre-judged decisions? Unconscious bias? Listening and believing a stream of lies?

he spent minutes detaining Henry before switching to life saving mode.

whatever he's guilty of, it isn't criminal-and that's not within the remit of the IOPC either.
 
I'm sure I read something yesterday that the Sikh Temple he frequented had concerns about his behaviour, and that something was raised. Does anyone know if that was true?
I know he was investigated back in 2023 but the decision was not enough evidence to prosecute.
If so, he had obviously been a "problem" waiting to happen for several years.
 
bert38 said:
but guilty of what? Making poor decisions? Making pre-judged decisions? Unconscious bias? Listening and believing a stream of lies?

he spent minutes detaining Henry before switching to life saving mode.

whatever he's guilty of, it isn't criminal-and that's not within the remit of the IOPC either.
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Gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in public office, could be racial discrimination but that’s harder to prove.

But take your pick.
 
Ban-jani said:
I think it’s absolutely spot on in this particular case. I wouldn’t generalise the entire police force in the same way but this case is exactly as Crouchino said.
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Neither of you have a clue what the reasons for his actions. Thats why we have investigations, and not leave it for people to guess.
 
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