They’d have actually been neutral instead of believing one group and completely ignoring the victim on the floor.
Read the Hampshire police race action plan.
This is a bit of a wild take. The Labour Home Sec and policing minister are concerned about the police guidance. Are they "far right" too?That's a huge, un-evidenced reach. How do you know this?
There's nothing in it to back up your claim.
We are jumping to wild conclusions here. The far right are making it about race, I'm surprised by the number of people who are happy to go along with it being the crux of the issue.
You can’t ask hypothetical questions about something that didn’t actually happen, asking for opinions, then say there’s no evidence when you get one.That's a huge, un-evidenced reach. How do you know this?
There's nothing in it to back up your claim.
We are jumping to wild conclusions here. The far right are making it about race, I'm surprised by the number of people who are happy to go along with it being the crux of the issue.
This is a bit of a wild take. The Labour Home Sec and policing minister are concerned about the police guidance. Are they "far right" too?
Just a reminder that the justice system already (and legitimately in my view, to act as a deterrent) treats discrimination as an aggravating factor and issues harsher sentences where it is in play. Police guidance, where no-one has been found guilty or even any evidence gathered, needs to be far more balanced. IF it isn't balanced, it needs changing.
IF (again) the police response was informed by guidance they followed then its highly relevant. Unless you don't think and expect police should follow their own guidance.Concern over Police guidance on racism is one thing. The part it plays in that particular incident is another.
You can’t ask hypothetical questions about something that didn’t actually happen, asking for opinions, then say there’s no evidence when you get one.
Yeah no shit, you’ve asked a question about something that didn’t happen.
You deciding what goes on inside a policeman’s head does in no way count as evidence, it counts as what you think and that’s itYou can’t ask hypothetical questions about something that didn’t actually happen, asking for opinions, then say there’s no evidence when you get one.
Yeah no shit, you’ve asked a question about something that didn’t happen.
Does police guidance suggest if someone suggests they have been stabbed then you see if they have been stabbed? I’d hazard a guess it does so maybe they didn’t follow the guidance?IF (again) the police response was informed by guidance they followed then its highly relevant. Unless you don't think and expect police should follow their own guidance.
You have absolutely no clue how they decide motive if you think that’s the case. The actions of the accused are commonly the primarily source of determining motive. If the roles were reversed you wouldn’t question it was discrimination for a second.You deciding what goes on inside a policeman’s head does in no way count as evidence, it counts as what you think and that’s it
'Police guidance' is just that. It is written to cover wide ranging situations, but you can't write guidance to cover every possible situation.This is a bit of a wild take. The Labour Home Sec and policing minister are concerned about the police guidance. Are they "far right" too?
Just a reminder that the justice system already (and legitimately in my view, to act as a deterrent) treats discrimination as an aggravating factor and issues harsher sentences where it is in play. Police guidance, where no-one has been found guilty or even any evidence gathered, needs to be far more balanced. IF it isn't balanced, it needs changing.
The police had a shocker. The handcuffing of a lad slumped on the floor barely breathing also doesn't meet relevant guidance around that too.Does police guidance suggest if someone suggests they have been stabbed then you see if they have been stabbed? I’d hazard a guess it does so maybe they didn’t follow the guidance?
Maybe I’m wrong and you are trained to ignore anybody who says they were stabbed
I'm not arguing it can cover every situation. What I'm saying is that IF (capitals again) police guidance is having the practical effect that it prompts some parts of the community to be treated differently then others then it needs looking at. This is what the Home Sec and police minister are saying and, frankly, it would appear to be complete common sense.'Police guidance' is just that. It is written to cover wide ranging situations, but you can't write guidance to cover every possible situation.
In a previous role I worked closely with the ambulance service. Prior to arriving at a scene, you are generally given an outline of the situation by dispatch/control so you have a rough idea of what is going on. Upon arrival at the scene, you do a primary scene survey using the information you already have, involving first and foremost making sure you are safe to carry out your job. In this case, the deceased had been wrongly reported and identified as the aggressor, and the officers faced with a difficult and challenging situation made some poor choices.
Depressingly we say this after so many tragedies. There are quite a few dicks out there who do what they want. All we can do, I guess, is do our bit and try and get on with peopleThe murder of Henry feels like a failure on several levels. One of the most troubling aspects is that Henry was lying on the floor saying he couldn't breathe. We now know that a knife had pierced his lung. Hearing that is heartbreaking. When someone is desperately telling you they can't breathe, those words should carry weight and urgency, especially when their life may depend on it. Get him to a hospital asap.
That said, I think this goes beyond policing alone. This is also a societal and political failure. Communities across the country are being scarred by knife crime, yet too often we seem to be discussing everything around the issue rather than confronting the issue itself. Words can hurt, and discrimination should always be challenged, but words don't kill people.
Knives do. Families are losing sons, daughters, brothers and sisters because of the continued epidemic of serious violence.
At the same time, I completely condemn those who chose to attack police officers in Southampton. Whatever anger people may feel, violence against officers is never the answer. The vast majority of police officers are ordinary people doing an extraordinarily difficult job. They have families waiting for them at home. They have children, partners, parents and loved ones who worry about them every time they put on the uniform and go to work.
Policing today is carried out under immense pressure, often with limited resources and under constant public and media scrutiny. Officers should absolutely be held accountable when mistakes are made, but they should not be made scapegoats for every wider failure in society.
Most importantly, my thoughts remain with Henry Novak and those who loved him. A young man has lost his life in horrific circumstances, and a family has been left with a loss that can never truly be repaired. Whatever conclusions are eventually reached, we owe it to his memory to ask difficult questions, learn lessons where necessary, and do more to tackle the violence that continues to destroy lives and communities across the country.
The fear was that he wouldn't be as had happened all to often previously.The officer in that case was arrested, tried and given a life sentence.
Agreed, absolutely it does.I'm not arguing it can cover every situation. What I'm saying that IF (capitals again) police guidance is having the practical effect that it prompts some parts of the community to be treated differently then others then it needs looking at. This is what the Home Sec and police minister are saying and, frankly, it would appear to be complete common sense.
The officer in that case was arrested, tried and given a life sentence.
because Labour ministers are also jumping on an anti-police bandwagon-the one on Sky after PMQs today 'we know the police did horrible things'..ok, talk about throwing them under the bus.This is a bit of a wild take. The Labour Home Sec and policing minister are concerned about the police guidance. Are they "far right" too?
Just a reminder that the justice system already (and legitimately in my view, to act as a deterrent) treats discrimination as an aggravating factor and issues harsher sentences where it is in play. Police guidance, where no-one has been found guilty or even any evidence gathered, needs to be far more balanced. IF it isn't balanced, it needs changing.
You do not remember correctly. He was arrested 4 days after the murder and charged with third degree murder the same day as his arrest. The rioting went on for weeks and weeks beyond that.IIRC, that wasnt going to happen and thats why it kicked off. Arresting and charging him was one of the reasons things died down.