Henry Nowak murder

[mayo31]

On the contrary id say you saw the total shift in policing given you started 30 years ago!

I have no issues with the police, apart from a scrap 35 years ago, ive never been in trouble with the police, so i have no truck with them whatsoever.

But my opinion now is that the police force is pretty hopeless. An opinion echoed by my pal who served his whole career in the police.

When i was a kid, i was frightened of the big burly coppers i saw.

Now i look at some of the drips and think fuck me is that all they can muster up!!

At the risk of digressing, i think the force is fucked up from top to bottom.

Hierarchy that are too political and want to be seen to do the right thing and not upset anyone, and coppers on the ground who are just a bit crap.
Add that together and you end up with officers like the drips in the nowak murder

Plus the general public, I was going to say are drips but really a lot are just cunts and think it is ok to push things be it authority or just boundaries.

Being in the police is a thankless task

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

because Labour ministers are also jumping on an anti-police bandwagon-the one on Sky after PMQs today 'we know the police did horrible things'..ok, talk about throwing them under the bus.

Just like everyone else the police officers involved deserve to have their views, evidence, whatever properly heard. Looking at the video though it's hard to understand what they did, or that it really was anything near like the level of policing we can have a right to expect though. There are probably many systemic reasons for that, but those involved should have done better.

 

[mattcity5]

Really bad policing. Apparently on average we get 4 or 5 deaths a week by knife crime, so something should be done about that, plus the mistakes made by the police.

However, we all know Farage, Robinson and the rest wouldn't give a fuck if this happened the other way round.

In my view any use of a knife in a public place should be classed as attempted murder (unless absolutely proven as self defence). Deterrents need to be stronger - and we need more prisons too.

 

[mayo31]

I said they acted horrendously. Unsure what else I could have said to satisfy you.

Don’t bother trying

 

[hilts]

Plus the general public, I was going to say are drips but really a lot are just cunts and think it is ok to push things be it authority or just boundaries.

Being in the police is a thankless task

If only the initial interview advised a candidate the police deal with the public on occasion :-)

Its also not a thankless task ive heard people thank coppers all the time, done it myself.

This is a case of a policeman being unsuitable for the job, what had happened previously, why he was sent there is totally irrelevant. Who was guilty of what is also irrelevant. The minute you enter the scene you react with common sense and concern with what you see.

 

[bert38]

Just like everyone else the police officers involved deserve to have their views, evidence, whatever properly heard. Looking at the video though it's hard to understand what they did, or that it really was anything near like the level of policing we can have a right to expect though. There are probably many systemic reasons for that, but those involved should have done better.

I've gone over and over it-in my head to..I think if you are fed a tissue of lies, and then you are met with someone whom you assume is intoxicated every decision you make follows. Because I think that's what has happened.

Now that wouldn't be a problem 99 times out of a 100..until this occasion.

One shift I hadn't completed a task-my Chief Insp was trying to say I had made a mistake. He said 'So what have you learnt?'
I replied, 'Never to make a mistake ever again, Sir'. He was an arse though.

To err is human especially in dynamic situations. Things will go wrong again the future. It is guaranteed. But did the officers act with malice and negligence? Not in my opinion.

I heard Badenoch say at PMQs 'wrongful arrest'
It wasn't an unlawful arrest. To have the grounds to arrest someone you need mere suspicion someone has committed/attempted to commit an offence-and the dictionary def of suspicion in law is 'a feeling that a crime has been committed and they are responsible'-its a very low bar, and much lower than belief.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I can when you're making totally unsubstantiated claims that an incident was dealt with in a particular way because of race. There's nothing to say that it has been. Talking of things which didn't happen, without evidence to say otherwise, then that would be one?

It absolutely was dealt with because of race. They arrested him for a race related crime. Whether it was a race related crime is another matter. Did he target the guy because he was white ? Who knows? We'll probably never know but race is at the forefront of the incident, we know that much, for sure.

 

[Claytop]

I think the crux of the entire event is that even if the officers arrived with assumed ideas, which was somewhat understandable given that they were hearing from a family who had called the police versus a single person who was said to be attacking them, the issue is that they somehow failed to reassess the situation after arriving, they should never be taking other peoples word as fact and should judge situations themselves, because shockingly people lie.

It must be rare that a group who just stabbed someone would call the police and remain there when the guy was surely going to die and they are obviously the culprit, I dont think its surprising the police believed them at face value.

From the footage though, it's incredibly clear that events were not as they had been described to them. Had they reassessed the situation properly with even a shred of curiosity they would have quickly seen the reality of what was happening. While Henry might still not have survived, the police did not know that at the time, they could have treated him with some dignity and provided him with aid rather than dehumanising him in his final moments. Had this been someone with survivable injuries he might have still died due to their actions.

This is the key issue that needs to be learned by the police, they shouldnt blindly believe anything without assessing it yourself, they tunnel visioned on their preconceived idea of what was happening.

Pretty much my thoughts, but like you say how many times will an officer go to a scene of a stabbing/murder where the killer and family are still on the scene after making up a story that they were the victim?

 

[bert38]

Pretty much my thoughts, but like you say how many times will an officer go to a scene of a stabbing/murder where the killer and family are still on the scene after making up a story that they were the victim?

Fire starters will often hang about-killers not so much.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

It absolutely was dealt with because of race. They arrested him for a race related crime. Whether it was a race related crime is another matter. Did he target the guy because he was white ? Who knows? We'll probably never know but race is at the forefront of the incident, we know that much, for sure.

He was arrested for assault.

Regardless, it's not really what I meant and perhaps that's on me for how I'm putting it across. I'm trying to say that the Henry wasn't evidently treated differently by the Police because race was a factor in the incident in comparison to how he'd be treated if it weren't.

He was treated as an assailant due to lies made up by the actual attackers, that's the problem and it doesn't make a difference what race they are - he'd have been treated as an assailant regardless of race or nature of crime given there's enough people present who initially, on the face of it, appear to be providing a credible report.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

IIRC, that wasnt going to happen and thats why it kicked off. Arresting and charging him was one of the reasons things died down.

The officers involved in the Alex Pretti and the Rene Good cases still haven't been charged. America is a very different place,

 

[Dax777]

Like the George Floyd incident, i think this too is just an unfortunate tragedy.


Those who are bending over backwards to pretend this was nothing like George Floyd are wrong. It is exactly like George Floyd.

Both are tragedies in which the police made understandable mistakes because they entered into normalcy mode and missed clues.

Both cases are also similar because a history of aggrievement (some real and others made up) had built up prior to the incidents. In the case of Floyd the presumed believe thst Black people are uniquely mistreated by cops... And in the case of Nowak the reverse, i.e. that in an attempt to correct for that mistreatment many a police force have become exceptionally anti-white in their attempts to avoid even the appearance of racism...

Both beliefs (true or not) is wha flamed the anger that ensued during the Summer of Floyd and what ever anger you might see now.

I see a terrible tragedy here, an unfortunate one in which the perpetrators of a crime called the police and then lied about the events. And thestory was probably eerily similar to one the cops had seen a million times.

I.e. Drunk disruptive aggressor who got injured acting out and now is making up fantastical claims to try to avoid consequences. Watch any ' Cops' videos from the early 2000s and its full of drunk people making up ridiculous claims to try to get out of an arrest..

They simply misread all the clues and relied on instinct. This their negligence squelched any opportunity to save the boy's life :( That's a tragedy. Same thing happened with Floyd

By the way, this is not to suggest that there are no differences in the 2 cases, there are many... But the same underlying principles were at play in both cases... The cops misread clues and their negligence played a role in both deaths. These are tragedies... Nor political touch points.

But just like Floyd was turned into one, this might too.

I pray for the family of the young boy. This is a terrible loss for them. And the video looks awful.

 

[Fat Chance]

The copper wasnt so glib ( for one reason or another) when he asked was anyone else injured that bstard piped up about his hair being pulled and having a swollen eye whilst knowing that boy was laid there stabbed to fcuk...

Did the kid really say ive been stabbed 4 times and i cant breath 7 times?...wow

 

[Kippax1973]

Unless yu believe having a criminal history makes someone deserving of having his neck stood on, I'm not sure I've missed anything.

Is that the same person that pointed a loaded gun at a women's belly threatening to kill them both ,,,yer know just saying

 

[Bluesince1979]

Plus the general public, I was going to say are drips but really a lot are just cunts and think it is ok to push things be it authority or just boundaries.

Being in the police is a thankless task

Oh yeah, the issue is deep rooted and goes way way beyond the police

 

[abu13]

Theres a lot of angry people about, its been building for a while and the police are getting the brunt of it, the coppers who attended the scene did not handle the situation well and will have to live with their actions that night. My frustrations are that its the political parties who drive these policies and they are the ones who should be accountable.

 

[domalino]

Did he target the guy because he was white ? Who knows? We'll probably never know but race is at the forefront of the incident, we know that much, for sure.

I mean…it seems pretty clear from the judges remarks the attack happened because Henry was filming him on his phone and asking “are you bad man”, and Digwa decided that was an affront to him and his religion, nothing to do with Nowak’s race.

 

[domalino]

Theres a lot of angry people about, its been building for a while and the police are getting the brunt of it, the coppers who attended the scene did not handle the situation well and will have to live with their actions that night. My frustrations are that its the political parties who drive these policies and they are the ones who should be accountable.

Which policy specifically should the politicians be held accountable for?

 

[abu13]

Their immigration policies, taxation policies, welfare polices, Nett Zero, freedom of speech. There are many things that people are unhappy about. Not just this government but previous ones as well.

For what its worth i have concerns with all of the above and feel something has to change, im not claiming to know how it will happen but scenes like last night are not the way for me.

 

[bert38]

I've long thought that the end point for British Policing will be the removal of the power of arrest-that might sound ridiculous but I could see it happening.