FIFA delegates getting their cummupence! Blatter GONE today.

TCIB said:
FBI already have the info i reckon so sweeping his footprint away behind him will not help.
If we do get the major reform also this 4month stuff will not be worth the paper it is written on.
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"IF" we get the reform THAT IS NEEDED! Platini will be favorite to succeed him and reckon Gill will be his poster boy , what with him "taking the moral high ground" against Blatter and all that and I think we can do much better than expecting any course correction at FIFA with Blatter's protege at the helm; reckon he'll get busy building his own empire over the ruins of Blatter's and it won't be surprising if its as corrupt as, if not more, than Blatter's.
 
Can we now withdraw the world cup from Qatar and have a re election? It's a crap idea, it's too hot, too many workers have died, it's not a footballing nation, nobody will enjoy it.
 
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Summerbuzz said:
rejoice, you miserable lot. football is finally entering the 21st century, and a lot of things will change. corporate culture is likely to be the influential model, and that might be a very good thing. one knock on effect is likely to be that UEFA will move away from the all-powerful-presidential model, and the balance of power of the relevant stakeholders will likely be redressed. the focus will to some extent shift to the interests of consumers - i.e fans.

really the best thing they can do is split up/firewall as much of it as possible. there is no justification whatsoever for one central comittee to hold sway over both commercial operations and sporting regulation.
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I am not sure that there is evidence that bringing any business that is awash with cash / money into even legal accountability is proven to work.
We rightly give the FBI credit for dealing with FIFA's Swiss based organisation but I am a little concerned that the people that eventually run football's top organisation will be just as inept at controlling corruption and cartels.
Of course all the usual suspects will take the moral high ground (not really too much to beat I suppose) but will newcomers be any better ?

I ask because history has shown that the decision to save the Banks with taxpayers money or in Barclay's case Sheikh M.'s money may have been necessary but did it stop their illegal practices ? I don't think so, hardly a day goes by without record fines for most of these supposedly icons of virtue. They still cartel (Libor rates), they still money launder etc. despite these fines.
Incidentally FBI evidence was also responsible for the need to prosecute and fine.

So my point is that control by new CEO's and their supposed attempts to change culture from within have failed in Banks so FIFA and Uefa are just as unlikely to be any more successful no matter who runs them.
 
Until individual countrys' FAs become more accountable to the people of those countries, there will always be corruption. The problem is that FIFA rules forbid external interference by governments, which on the one hand keeps politics out of football but on the other, prevents proper scrutiny. As long as the people running the FAs can take a bung in exchange for support without being found out, it will happen. 133 people representing 133 FAs voted for Blatter knowing he is corrupt so it suggests the problem is deep rooted and will be extremely difficult to address.
 
AnkzCT32 said:
"IF" we get the reform THAT IS NEEDED! Platini will be favorite to succeed him and reckon Gill will be his poster boy , what with him "taking the moral high ground" against Blatter and all that and I think we can do much better than expecting any course correction at FIFA with Blatter's protege at the helm; reckon he'll get busy building his own empire over the ruins of Blatter's and it won't be surprising if its as corrupt as, if not more, than Blatter's.
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I keep hearing the media say Platini is favourite to take over, but it sounds like lazy journalism to me. With the current one country-one vote system, there is no way that the rest of the world will install the current head of UEFA (or any of his stooges) as the head of FIFA.

It'd be like turkeys voting for Christmas, and while a lot of them might be corrupt, they ain't daft. Plus, the recent talk of a rival tournament featuring only countries from Europe and Latin America will have set the alarm bells ringing even louder than ever before.
 
SilverFox2 said:
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I am not sure that there is evidence that bringing any business that is awash with cash / money into even legal accountability is proven to work.

So my point is that control by new CEO's and their supposed attempts to change culture from within have failed in Banks so FIFA and Uefa are just as unlikely to be any more successful no matter who runs them.
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The answer is to have systems that manage or mitigate risk. In FIFA's case that would involve a single term presidency, with the President and executive set specific, measurable goals by an independent, non-executive body. Rotate the Presidency between the major regions. Also introduce far more transparency and better auditing of the money they do spend and the benefits that accrue from those projects.

Blatter spread the money around and turned a blind eye when that money disappeared into people's pockets, as long as that ensured he got votes when he needed them.

Incidentally I've met the last three Barclays CEO's and did some work with the current one when he was at Barclaycard. He struck me as a fundamentally decent guy who simply wouldn't set out to encourage a culture of fraud and deceit. But the Americans who ran Barclays Capital were a different breed altogether and anything was fair game as long as they hit their figures. Tom Kalaris, the guy who presented the PL trophy in 2012, was one of the worst of the lot supposedly. Once that sort of culture gets embedded in the business, it can be hard to root out.
 
Blatter will no doubt stand for re-election in the next election again! :)

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I'd love seeing Russia host the football world cup tbh. They were one of the major footballing powerhouses when they used to be the Soviet Union. Frankly, I would like to see Russia become a top footballing power house in football again. We already know Russia are the best team in Beach football and one of the best European Futsal side as well. I hope Turkey hosts the world cup one day too. But IMO with the current situation, Platini is no better than Blatter. It was awful at the fact most of English media were backing Platini. That's backing one corrupt over the other.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The answer is to have systems that manage or mitigate risk. In FIFA's case that would involve a single term presidency, with the President and executive set specific, measurable goals by an independent, non-executive body. Rotate the Presidency between the major regions. Also introduce far more transparency and better auditing of the money they do spend and the benefits that accrue from those projects.

Blatter spread the money around and turned a blind eye when that money disappeared into people's pockets, as long as that ensured he got votes when he needed them.

Incidentally I've met the last three Barclays CEO's and did some work with the current one when he was at Barclaycard. He struck me as a fundamentally decent guy who simply wouldn't set out to encourage a culture of fraud and deceit. But the Americans who ran Barclays Capital were a different breed altogether and anything was fair game as long as they hit their figures. Tom Kalaris, the guy who presented the PL trophy in 2012, was one of the worst of the lot supposedly. Once that sort of culture gets embedded in the business, it can be hard to root out.
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I would like to think your solution would work PB but frankly the extra accountability in the form of FBI monitoring has simply not worked other than to bring legal action. The Banks do not even change CEO's who are apparently allowed to adopt the Blatter 'not me guv' reply to the fines and keep their job.

I agree it is difficult to bring about change, hence my pessimism regarding the hope for change at FIFA (or for that matter Uefa).
 
cleavers said:
Done, just for you. Though I hear it was headline news even on Klingon, so I don't think we really needed to change the thread title to let everyone know.

Its currently bigger news than a 13 year old girl dying in Nottinghamshire, potentially being murdered, 400+ chinese dying in a capsized boat (potentially), 4 seriously injured at Alton Towers, and the sudden death of a well liked former MP.
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A polite request, that was all. No need for the rest really, now was there...
 
foxy said:
Can we now withdraw the world cup from Qatar and have a re election? It's a crap idea, it's too hot, too many workers have died, it's not a footballing nation, nobody will enjoy it.
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Blatter had nothing to do with Qatar WC and actively fought against it.

Id be all for a new vote under the conditions that nobody who submitted a bid last time may do it this time.

Cause its all about workers rights isnt it? There should be no problems with that
 
foxy said:
Can we now withdraw the world cup from Qatar and have a re election? It's a crap idea, it's too hot, too many workers have died, it's not a footballing nation, nobody will enjoy it.
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My guess is that they'll end up drawing a line under whats happened so far, allow the 2018 & 2022 WC's to go ahead.

FIFA faces so much upheaval with so many senior executives under arrest of embroiled in the legal process that I doubt that they will be capable of carrying out a re-bidding process that would be seen as fair and credible anytime soon.
 
Damocles said:
Blatter had nothing to do with Qatar WC and actively fought against it.

Id be all for a new vote under the conditions that nobody who submitted a bid last time may do it this time.

Cause its all about workers rights isnt it? There should be no problems with that
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I think your wrong there: This was taken from 2010

Sepp Blatter backs Qatar cup bid



FIFA president Sepp Blatter yesterday gave his strongest indication that $43 million may have gone up in smoke on Australia's World Cup bid.

Just four months after backing a European nation to land the 2018 finals, Blatter is throwing his support behind Qatar to be the first Arab country to host a World Cup in 2022.

Blatter told a news conference in Doha yesterday he was impressed by Qatar's rapid rise as a major sporting destination and that the gas-rich country had dramatically improved its infrastructure.

"The Arab world deserves the World Cup and Qatar has a good chance to become the first country from the region to host it," Blatter said.

The Australian Government backed Football Federation Australia to the tune of $43 million to land the World Cup in 2018 or 2022.

FFA chief executive Ben Buckley could not be contacted last night because he was travelling back from Doha after attending the Asian Cup draw.

Qatar will host January's Asian Cup, and it is interested in lobbying for the 2022 World Cup.

"I'm a regular visitor to Qatar and every time I land here I am impressed by all the development," Blatter said.

Qatar hosted the Asian Games four years ago.

"It is a big event in which men and women compete in 30 different sports and the fact Qatar held it successfully means its organisational abilities cannot be questioned," Blatter said.

Blatter is one of 24 men on the FIFA executive who will hand down a decision in December on the winning 2018 and 2022 bids.



Blatter's latest comments are concerning for Australia.

"What matters are the guarantees the bidding country has to offer and, on that count, I have no doubt that Qatar will put on the table all that is needed to host the event," he said.
 
CSKAFan said:
I'd love seeing Russia host the football world cup tbh. They were one of the major footballing powerhouses when they used to be the Soviet Union. Frankly, I would like to see Russia become a top footballing power house in football again. We already know Russia are the best team in Beach football and one of the best European Futsal side as well. I hope Turkey hosts the world cup one day too. But IMO with the current situation, Platini is no better than Blatter. It was awful at the fact most of English media were backing Platini. That's backing one corrupt over the other.
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Russia has held major tournaments before, the Olympics being the prime example, and I'm sure the infrastructure would be in place for the WC, but the problem is a social one. There is an ongoing war with the Ukraine and there is also a huge racism problem affecting football and it is these kind of issues that worry many people. If these issues can be addressed in actions rather than words, then Russia would be no worse a place to host the event than somewhere like South Africa was.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Blatter spread the money around and turned a blind eye when that money disappeared into people's pockets, as long as that ensured he got votes when he needed them.
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Spot on mate, there are 209 countries in FIFA eligible to vote and the vast majority would never be able to host a World Cup. They just wanted FIFA's money and Blatter was happy to oblige in order to stay in power, how much of the money ever went down to grass roots level is any bodies guess.

Who ever replaces that charlatan needs to change the voting system how can the likes of Afghanistan, Bhutan, Cayman Islands, Faroe Islands, St. Lucia and the US Virgin Islands have the same voting power as Argentina, Brazil, England, Germany, Italy and Spain?

I deliberately left out France as the arseholes voted for Blatter.
 
Remember there may be somebody worse [much worse] in the FIFA president role than Blatter. From platini to a political puppet

What about the World Cup, I was shocked when we won the bid, I was sure that the bid of Spain/Portugal would win, or England. But there are only 4 years left till the World Cup and their charter states that it can't be removed later than 4 years before the date of the start, i.e. they should decide and remove it no later than this June, otherwise nothing would change. It also seems to be much of political what is not good. (Although I accept that bribes might have taken placr and that it might be a bit political decision to try and win the bid of the World Cup from Russia too)

P.S. I totaly agree with Vinny
 
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Would a simple solution not just be to change the voting system so that instead of each country getting an equal vote, each confederation gets an equal vote instead?
 
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