Well as soon as England lost, violence started. However, there was a bombing in Manchester at the time of 1996 I believe. Look on wikipedia, they have a whole elaborate section of the events during 1996.
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FIFA delegates getting their cummupence! Blatter GONE today.
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Distance between cities? Isn't that the same for Australia? Distance from Bribane to Perth or Melbourne is HUGE. Anyways there's not much you can do about this. The only problem with Russia is the racism/violence issues. But honestly, many countries in the past got awarded Euro/World cup that at the time had many of these issues. Euro 1996 and WC 1990 comes to mind.WRONG,wrong wrong..... England & Australia were the best options. england is ready to host in an instant, the only nations that could do that would be fra,ita,ger,US and spain.
russia is a bad choice as the distance between cities is huge, travel expenses for fans is ridiculous. Russian fans have a notorious racist attitude in both domestic and international home games. Although I think russia would deserve to host it ,after spain ( IMO) , as a european nation in twenty years.
I dont know why he mentioned a terrorist attack either?????
Paul Lake's Left Knee
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Well as soon as England lost, violence started. However, there was a bombing in Manchester at the time of 1996 I believe. Look on wikipedia, they have a whole elaborate section of the events during 1996.
The bombing in Manchester had nothing to do with football, why bring it up? If Chechens or Ukranians decided to bomb a Russian city in 2018, would it be about football??
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the bombing in Manchester in 96 was by the IRA, not in the least bit related and you would do well to stay clear of itWell as soon as England lost, violence started. However, there was a bombing in Manchester at the time of 1996 I believe. Look on wikipedia, they have a whole elaborate section of the events during 1996.
ali benarbia's studs
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No, it was a compensation payment triggered when Blatter broke a non disclosure agreement. The '33rd team' joke.
Delaney should go anyway, he's useless.
He should be shot dead with a ball of his own $hite, I m all on for bringing back crucifixion for lets say Halloween....... anybody?
I agree bombing should not be part but England 1996 had hooliganism issues back then. My whole point here is, England has their problems too with violence.The bombing in Manchester had nothing to do with football, why bring it up? If Chechens or Ukranians decided to bomb a Russian city in 2018, would it be about football??
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But you've attributed bombings, rioting and violence to Euro96. Thus connecting it with the tournament.Well as soon as England lost, violence started. However, there was a bombing in Manchester at the time of 1996 I believe. Look on wikipedia, they have a whole elaborate section of the events during 1996.
ali benarbia's studs
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Distance between cities? Isn't that the same for Australia? Distance from Bribane to Perth or Melbourne is HUGE. Anyways there's not much you can do about this. The only problem with Russia is the racism/violence issues. But honestly, many countries in the past got awarded Euro/World cup that at the time had many of these issues. Euro 1996 and WC 1990 comes to mind.
euro 96 wasn t that bad..... the FA should officiate to break up hooligan gatherings with police forces and make passports void for previous offenders.
Italia 90 .... was great........... all i remember were the Scots kissing the Swedes and smiling of how great football was..... then that Nastard Scilacci tea-bagged a nation!
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The racism issue, given that UEFA have punished your own club, should have been enough to stop you getting the world cup or at least a factor against it. But you're currently illegally occupying parts of another country and that should mean a boycott full stop until you withdraw.Distance between cities? Isn't that the same for Australia? Distance from Bribane to Perth or Melbourne is HUGE. Anyways there's not much you can do about this. The only problem with Russia is the racism/violence issues.
In pure football terms, I've no problem with Russia having a World Cup at all. But politically, now is not the time.
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I agree bombing should not be part but England 1996 had hooliganism issues back then. My whole point here is, England has their problems too with violence.
You should be careful when mentioning the IRA bombing of Manchester in 96, it had nothing to do with football, there wasnt a match on, it was no where near a stadium and a lot of people on this board were effected directly. It was a political act not a football violence act. If you think it is significant, it is nothing compared to the issues that are ongoing on the Ukraine/Russia border.
You are wrong about the hooligan element, football violence was minimal in 96 compared to previous years, you may have been fed some propaganda and have believed it. Those of us who remember the 70's and 80's know that all seater stadiums and progressive policing meant that any issues were small and isolated, in comparison to previous years. As fans who have been through disgraceful behaviour, witnessed it first hand and seen how our police and football authorities have worked to clean up our game, we are in a good place to sit and say what needs to be done. It isnt hypocritical, its being able to use our knowledge and experience to be better judges.
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But you've attributed bombings, rioting and violence to Euro96. Thus connecting it with the tournament.
No he hasn't - his point, as far as I can tell, is that England had a variety of problems going on in the country at the time it was awarded. Whether they are related to football or not is beside the point.
However, it's not '96 anymore it's 2015 and some of the stuff that is going on in Russia is pretty appalling. No country with its opinions on homosexuality should be hosting a WC in 2018
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The IRA bomb was during Euro '96 just before the England, Scotland game iirc. I was at Le Mans at the time and remember being worried about my folks.
It's mad to think that IRA bombs were going off in the streets of the UK less than two decades ago.
Russia should definitely host a World Cup. There hasn't been a singe tournament held in Eastern Europe, which needs to be remedied.
It's mad to think that IRA bombs were going off in the streets of the UK less than two decades ago.
Russia should definitely host a World Cup. There hasn't been a singe tournament held in Eastern Europe, which needs to be remedied.
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The IRA bomb was during Euro '96 just before the England, Scotland game iirc. I was at Le Mans at the time and remember being worried about my folks.
It's mad to think that IRA bombs were going off in the streets of the UK less than two decades ago.
Russia should definitely host a World Cup. There hasn't been a singe tournament held in Eastern Europe, which needs to be remedied.
I agree and said as much previously in the thread, China will probably get a look in soon, and quite rightly. Both are far more deserving than Qatar.
I dont think either should have the world cup taken off them, the damage is done now, we just need to make sure that going forward the process is clear and as without bribery or corruption as is possible.
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Give it to Ukraine then. They're actually part of the European continent. Russia can host the next Asian one.The IRA bomb was during Euro '96 just before the England, Scotland game iirc. I was at Le Mans at the time and remember being worried about my folks.
It's mad to think that IRA bombs were going off in the streets of the UK less than two decades ago.
Russia should definitely host a World Cup. There hasn't been a singe tournament held in Eastern Europe, which needs to be remedied.
Thank you! You understand me. My point is, every country hosting any tournament has their fair share of issues. I used Euro 1996 as an example as 95% of posters here are English.No he hasn't - his point, as far as I can tell, is that England had a variety of problems going on in the country at the time it was awarded. Whether they are related to football or not is beside the point.
However, it's not '96 anymore it's 2015 and some of the stuff that is going on in Russia is pretty appalling. No country with its opinions on homosexuality should be hosting a WC in 2018
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Are you suggesting that St Petersburg is in Asia?Give it to Ukraine then. They're actually part of the European continent. Russia can host the next Asian one.
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I'm suggesting the majority of the landmass of the country of Russia is.Are you suggesting that St Petersburg is in Asia?
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Before English fans point their fingers at other nations like Russia for racism issues, they need to have a good look at themselves. England is known to have the worst fans in the world, for hooliganism and violence. Incidents like Heysel. Plus Euro 1996 was the worst Euro ever hosted. Full of violence, bombings and rioting. Not to mention, a Russian football fan was murdered during 1996. I'm not saying Russia is better than England, no way I am. I'm just saying no country is perfect and England is no better than Russia when it comes to fan violence/racism.
It's very good Russia got it, but the second best option would've been Netherlands/Belgium, not England.
First of all, I am not English, I am German. England is supposed to have the worst fans? Ever seen a match that involved Red Star and Partisan Belgrade? What about any of the Istanbul matches? Facism, Racism and Nationalism are ripe in Russia during football matches. You're off your head mate for saying English fans are known to be the worst sorry.
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Apart from Euro 2012 in Poland / Ukraine. But no world cups, unless you count 2006. East Germany was in Eastern Europe and quite a few matches were played in that part of Germany. But apart from that......There hasn't been a singe tournament held in Eastern Europe, which needs to be remedied.
It is claimed by the Americans that the corruption at FIFA amounts to $150 million.
That sounds like a lot of sleazy money, but this figure pales in significance to the amount of corruption and criminality attributable to Wall Street banks and other Western financial institutions. For example, British bank HSBC alone has been caught running tax evasion, money-laundering for drug cartels and other illicit schemes that is estimated at $180 billion – or more than a thousand-fold the scale of criminality alleged at FIFA. High-level US involvement in targeting FIFA strongly suggests a political direction being given by the Obama administration.The Americans and their trusty British ally are using the issue of alleged corruption in World Cup organising body, FIFA, as a stalking horse to further get at Russia over the geopolitical tensions in Ukraine. Another reason Blatter and FIFA became a target for US regime change (see Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya etc) was it's stance on Israel. That's how things work these days ....
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...A-would-spell-end-of-world-soccer-body-404426
That sounds like a lot of sleazy money, but this figure pales in significance to the amount of corruption and criminality attributable to Wall Street banks and other Western financial institutions. For example, British bank HSBC alone has been caught running tax evasion, money-laundering for drug cartels and other illicit schemes that is estimated at $180 billion – or more than a thousand-fold the scale of criminality alleged at FIFA. High-level US involvement in targeting FIFA strongly suggests a political direction being given by the Obama administration.The Americans and their trusty British ally are using the issue of alleged corruption in World Cup organising body, FIFA, as a stalking horse to further get at Russia over the geopolitical tensions in Ukraine. Another reason Blatter and FIFA became a target for US regime change (see Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya etc) was it's stance on Israel. That's how things work these days ....
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...A-would-spell-end-of-world-soccer-body-404426