The Calais problem (merged)

How on Earth will nations become more equal if the working populations of the less developed countries keep flocking to the more developed countries?

I get that it's a lot easier to say than do, but if they're fleeing persecution and leaving behind wives and children, the persecution situation isn't going to improve. The people at Calais are the ones who need to be fighting for their country to improve.

Fighting for change, who'd have thought that was an option!
There seems very little appetite for it these days, going elsewhere appears to be the modern alternative.
How many people have fought and died for change in Britain alone (The Peterloo Massacre for example). It might be a painful experience, take a generation and people will probably die (they seem to do that running away), but if you don't fight, nothing will ever change.
 
I'd introduce it to the UK. Nothing wrong importing skilled workers

Ironic really is it not. One of the cunts doing illegal stuff in Calais was interviewed the other night and spoke good English.He explained he was a refugee, a university educated Bio-chemist and wanted to work in a country where he knew the language. He thought he would be a net contributor to the country.

Now im unsure how many vacancies we have for Bio-chemists and he may of been lying and just wanted to come here to live under a bridge near the M4, but i would have thought it would be cheaper and more beneficial to our nation to check these people out before demonising them and threatening to set the army on them.
 
I have no problem with helping genuine refugees from genuine conflict areas.

The snag is that the people who have rocked up at Calais could be anybody. It's a safe bet that a good percentage of them are economic migrants and I don't see why they should get to jump the queue ahead of economic migrants who are playing the game honestly, applying for visas, and quite likely getting turned down.
 
Not hypocritical at all. I didn't try and break in to the country illegally. I had to first get a job, show I was financially secure, go for health screening, find and pay for accommodation pay for that 12 months up front and my company had to provide private health care so I wasn't a drain on the country.

If I lose my job, I have a week to leave. There are no benefits on offer to me either.

The legality of a economic migrant is irrelevant, you are an economic migrant.

"Economic migrant" means a person who has left his own country and seeks by lawful or unlawful means to find employment in another country. As will be explained later, many asylum seekers are in fact economic migrants who hope to secure entry into the United Kingdom by claiming asylum.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/70
 
Ironic really is it not. One of the cunts doing illegal stuff in Calais was interviewed the other night and spoke good English.He explained he was a refugee, a university educated Bio-chemist and wanted to work in a country where he knew the language. He thought he would be a net contributor to the country.

Now im unsure how many vacancies we have for Bio-chemists and he may of been lying and just wanted to come here to live under a bridge near the M4, but i would have thought it would be cheaper and more beneficial to our nation to check these people out before demonising them and threatening to set the army on them.
He can apply for a visa, which anyone can, if his skills are in demand here, he would probably be granted one. He will know this, though, all of them do. The reason he hasn't done it is he's talking bullshit.
 
Where did they get INTO France in the first place? Are the French just really shit at policing their borders?
 
The legality of a economic migrant is irrelevant, you are an economic migrant.

"Economic migrant" means a person who has left his own country and seeks by lawful or unlawful means to find employment in another country. As will be explained later, many asylum seekers are in fact economic migrants who hope to secure entry into the United Kingdom by claiming asylum.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/70
No shit Sherlock.
As to his status, legal as opposed to illegal is certainly relevant.The state he works in have vetted him and granted him residency, which is a tad preferable to opening the doors for anyone in the world to enter just because they want to.
 
He can apply for a visa, which anyone can, if his skills are in demand here, he would probably be granted one. He will know this, though, all of them do. The reason he hasn't done it is he's talking bullshit.

or maybe where he lived wasn't safe to hang around waiting for a letter.
 
Ironic really is it not. One of the cunts doing illegal stuff in Calais was interviewed the other night and spoke good English.He explained he was a refugee, a university educated Bio-chemist and wanted to work in a country where he knew the language. He thought he would be a net contributor to the country.

Now im unsure how many vacancies we have for Bio-chemists and he may of been lying and just wanted to come here to live under a bridge near the M4, but i would have thought it would be cheaper and more beneficial to our nation to check these people out before demonising them and threatening to set the army on them.

His degree is worth fuck all. Otherwise he would have applied at the embassy for a working visa.
 
Well, let him write it from France then, the Home Office will still read it, if he's as he says, he'll be allowed in.
The excuses offered up on here are astounding.

The excuses certainly are, are people really that insecure that they think everyone out there is out to get them?
 
Insecurity is the correct term, we have insecure borders, that's the debate.
So why doesn't this Einstein write his letter then?

The borders are some of the tightest on the planet.

An estimated 9 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of civil war in March 2011, taking refuge in neighbouring countries or within Syria itself. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile, under 150,000 Syrians have declared asylum in the European Union, while member states have pledged to resettle a further 33,000 Syrians. The vast majority of these resettlement spots – 28,500 or 85% – are pledged by Germany.

Because Einstein, you need to be in the country to apply.

It is not legally possible to apply for asylum from outside the UK. Asylum seekers are protected from removal once they have made an asylum claim and are waiting for a decision.

Asylum claims can and should, wherever possible, be made to an immigration officer as soon as an asylum seeker arrives in the UK. Once a person has passed through immigration control and is inside the UK, he or she must claim asylum at the offices of the UK Border Agency in Croydon (in south London). If an asylum application is not made as soon as an asylum seeker enters the UK, the person may be denied welfare support and accommodation. The delay may also harm their claim at a later date. Asylum applicants should find a lawyer to represent them as soon as possible to help them during the asylum application process.

Asylum seekers have been convicted for using false passports or travel documents (for example, to leave their country of origin). Their conviction then adversely affects their credibility when their asylum claim is considered.
 
The borders are some of the tightest on the planet.

An estimated 9 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of civil war in March 2011, taking refuge in neighbouring countries or within Syria itself. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile, under 150,000 Syrians have declared asylum in the European Union, while member states have pledged to resettle a further 33,000 Syrians. The vast majority of these resettlement spots – 28,500 or 85% – are pledged by Germany.

Because Einstein, you need to be in the country to apply.

It is not legally possible to apply for asylum from outside the UK. Asylum seekers are protected from removal once they have made an asylum claim and are waiting for a decision.

Asylum claims can and should, wherever possible, be made to an immigration officer as soon as an asylum seeker arrives in the UK. Once a person has passed through immigration control and is inside the UK, he or she must claim asylum at the offices of the UK Border Agency in Croydon (in south London). If an asylum application is not made as soon as an asylum seeker enters the UK, the person may be denied welfare support and accommodation. The delay may also harm their claim at a later date. Asylum applicants should find a lawyer to represent them as soon as possible to help them during the asylum application process.

Asylum seekers have been convicted for using false passports or travel documents (for example, to leave their country of origin). Their conviction then adversely affects their credibility when their asylum claim is considered.
Thanks for the information on the world situation, but I'm well aware of the Syrian situation, and all the other happenings.
I'm not talking about asylum, I'm suggesting this Einstein with the marvellous qualifications should apply for a visa to ply his trade here, nothing to do with asylum, you appear, with respect, to be offering up every flawed reason possible to justify his current stance, which is to enter illegally.
 
Thanks for the information on the world situation, but I'm well aware of the Syrian situation, and all the other happenings.
I'm not talking about asylum, I'm suggesting this Einstein with the marvellous qualifications should apply for a visa to ply his trade here, nothing to do with asylum, you appear, with respect, to be offering up every flawed reason possible to justify his current stance, which is to enter illegally.

In which case why are you saying we have loose borders? We have some of the strictest borders in the world.


Unfortunately you don't seem to be grasping a perfectly logical motive on his part.

He cannot sit around like the Doha Economic Migrant waiting for job applications and other paperwork viz visa applications as he is in deep shit regarding his life, home or lack of work at his previous address. So he looks to move to the UK as he can speak English and knows there is some work there. Now, as explained, he cannot be illegal at the moment as he is not in the country, he can only become illegal if he fails to report to a border official.

Now, here is the crazy bit, he smuggles himself into a lorry and is discovered by a border official, he declares he is looking for asylum. He has done nothing wrong as he has declared himself upon entry. Now, while he is being investigated and he asks for help to find jobs etc etc, he will be helped. He even has a secure address and he is not under the duress he was in his home town. If he is genuine in he comes, if not he will be escorted back to his own country. Case over.
 
They do have a big border but surely they can track where these people are getting in and plug the hole so to speak?

France are a member of Schengen. Land borders do not exist in theory. Drive from France into Belgium and there are no border controls.

Its Neo Liberalism gone mad.
 

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