City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Ah but could we have signed him as well ?

I have absolutely no idea now, where we are upto re sponsorship etc.

Profit of £30m or so we could have managed it. Unless you're compiling City's books you'll find out how much the sponsorship levels have grown when the accounts come out. Must be up a fair bit though.
 
Guardian article - how we got away with spending zillions this window etc

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/02/financial-fair-play-manchester-city

The problem is not that City are able to spend FFP legally it is that the other clubs are not prepared to invest their profits in a similar fashion.

Arsenal this morning claiming a lack of players for their inactivity which is another way of saying the owners want to use their considerable surplus in other directions Mike Ashley style.
That is their choice as is the decision by Mr A. to saddle Chelsea with the debt of his investment loan to them.

The worry for all clubs including European giants is that the City juggernaut is gathering pace so they all have the choice to either compete by gambling their Business Plan against City's for player investment cost or settle for a guaranteed profit rather than competing for expensive players.

In fact they are now competing against ADUG where new sponsorship money will be attracted to City rather than others. City are the team to beat in the PL and perhaps CL whether Sky or BT like it or not so maximum exposure for all our sponsors who will already have recognised the way Etihad Airways have progressed via association with City.
 
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Profit of £30m or so we could have managed it. Unless you're compiling City's books you'll find out how much the sponsorship levels have grown when the accounts come out. Must be up a fair bit though.

Am I right in thinking we haven't signed a new deal with an Abu Dhabi based sponsor since 2011? Would be nice to be able to say that and watch the confusion on peoples faces when they realise we're an attractive sponsorship opportunity for anyone.
 
Profit of £30m or so we could have managed it. Unless you're compiling City's books you'll find out how much the sponsorship levels have grown when the accounts come out. Must be up a fair bit though.

When I think about it, Soriano was claiming we would have passed break even a whiile back, but in recent times, City keep announcing sponsorships all over the shop. 'Regional' sponsorships & 'partnerships' all over the globe, which we don't even notice here. Then there's the NYC, Melbourne, Japan, angles, on top of presumably big increases here & with the main sponsors too.All sorts. What do we get off Nissan for example ?

We have no idea at all, how much this stuff is worth, but I'll be surprised if it doesn't scare the shit out of quite a few clubs when they find out. No doubt UEFA will keep them informed when they 'confidentially' look over our books.
 
Am I right in thinking we haven't signed a new deal with an Abu Dhabi based sponsor since 2011? Would be nice to be able to say that and watch the confusion on peoples faces when they realise we're an attractive sponsorship opportunity for anyone.

Can't remember one, but anyone who hasn't realised that by now will never realise it tbh.

Edit : read 'mitch' in the comments on M18s link on the previous page, last post. There's none so blind as those that won't see.
 
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It's quite laughable how many people still don't have a clue about how players are accounted for. They just see us spend £100m and come out with the predictable and incorrect whingeing and whining about sticking two fingers up to FFP.

£130m over 5 years works out at £26m a year in amortisation. Milner, Jovetic & Dzeko leaving means we save close to half of that straight away. Nastasic, Sinclair & Negredo account for probably another £8m per annum.

So the new signings have probably cost us about £5-6m a year on our bottom line. That's excluding wages but I doubt they'll have increased that much, if at all. To offset that, the CL alone should bring us in at least an extra £20m this season, thanks to the BT Sport deal.
 
The problem is not that City are able to spend FFP legally it is that the other clubs are not prepared to invest their profits in a similar fashion.

Arsenal this morning claiming a lack of players for their inactivity which is another way of saying the owners want to use their considerable surplus in other directions Mike Ashley style.
That is their choice as is the decision by Mr A. to saddle Chelsea with the debt of his investment loan to them.

The worry for all clubs including European giants is that the City juggernaut is gathering pace so they all have the choice to either compete by gambling their Business Plan against City's for player investment cost or settle for a guaranteed profit rather than competing for expensive players.

In fact they are now competing against ADUG where new sponsorship money will be attracted to City rather than others. City are the team to beat in the PL and perhaps CL whether Sky or BT like it or not so maximum exposure for all our sponsors who will already have recognised the way Etihad Airways have progressed via association with City.

Good post and a fair summation I think of the choices the 'other three' face in terms of how to compete with City.

My own opinion is that Abramovich decided long ago he wasn't going to compete. Hence the biggest transfer fee they've paid post Torres is 32 million pounds for Costa/Hazard. This is a very different model from the one he used when he came in and is much closer to the Arsenal one. It's interesting for me because if Chelsea/Arsenal do continue to be content with a top 4 finish each year without there being an enormous pressure to deliver trophies we could end up in a situation where City dominate the league for the foreseeable future.

In a way that'd be a shame. Winning a competitive league is far more satisfying that winning a two team one. I'm not saying it's currently uncompetitive BTW, just that if the trends continue I can see us being miles ahead of the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal in five years time.
 
Good post and a fair summation I think of the choices the 'other three' face in terms of how to compete with City.

My own opinion is that Abramovich decided long ago he wasn't going to compete. Hence the biggest transfer fee they've paid post Torres is 32 million pounds for Costa/Hazard. This is a very different model from the one he used when he came in and is much closer to the Arsenal one. It's interesting for me because if Chelsea/Arsenal do continue to be content with a top 4 finish each year without there being an enormous pressure to deliver trophies we could end up in a situation where City dominate the league for the foreseeable future.

In a way that'd be a shame. Winning a competitive league is far more satisfying that winning a two team one. I'm not saying it's currently uncompetitive BTW, just that if the trends continue I can see us being miles ahead of the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal in five years time.

It'd be perfect for us in terms of development as a team if one kept up and the rest fell away. Just enough competition domestically to keep us sharp while being able to focus more on Europe. Not that surprised if Chelsea drop off, they've only finished in the top 2 twice in the last 5 years. Another thing effecting Chelsea's spending that people are missing out on is the cost of their new stadium, I've a feeling with Abramovich's personal finances taking a dive in the last few years he expects the club to fund the development themselves which will hurt them in the transfer market for the next few seasons at least.
 
Good post and a fair summation I think of the choices the 'other three' face in terms of how to compete with City.

My own opinion is that Abramovich decided long ago he wasn't going to compete. Hence the biggest transfer fee they've paid post Torres is 32 million pounds for Costa/Hazard. This is a very different model from the one he used when he came in and is much closer to the Arsenal one. It's interesting for me because if Chelsea/Arsenal do continue to be content with a top 4 finish each year without there being an enormous pressure to deliver trophies we could end up in a situation where City dominate the league for the foreseeable future.

In a way that'd be a shame. Winning a competitive league is far more satisfying that winning a two team one. I'm not saying it's currently uncompetitive BTW, just that if the trends continue I can see us being miles ahead of the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal in five years time.

then so be it billy, in my opinion we have set a unique stall out with the CFG in which will be imitated by many in the not too distant future.
all within the rules and guidelines
with my selfish head on, i've had enough of let downs,false dawns,cock ups and having my nose rubbed in it from all and sundry as we floundered from relegation to relegation and i'm sure you have too
the premier league will remain competitive especially if the tv money keep rolling in, we have stolen a march on the rest, long may it continue
 
It'd be perfect for us in terms of development as a team if one kept up and the rest fell away. Just enough competition domestically to keep us sharp while being able to focus more on Europe. Not that surprised if Chelsea drop off, they've only finished in the top 2 twice in the last 5 years. Another thing effecting Chelsea's spending that people are missing out on is the cost of their new stadium, I've a feeling with Abramovich's personal finances taking a dive in the last few years he expects the club to fund the development themselves which will hurt them in the transfer market for the next few seasons at least.

I see what you're saying. It is a kind of ideal, but I take more satisfaction from the tougher leagues. The PL still feels very competitive at the top, but it's true that without FFP we would only need one or two more windows like this summer's to make it very hard for the teams around us to catch up. A kind of Real Madrid type scenario for the PL, which I reckon is privately what Mansour wants.
 
I see what you're saying. It is a kind of ideal, but I take more satisfaction from the tougher leagues. The PL still feels very competitive at the top, but it's true that without FFP we would only need one or two more windows like this summer's to make it very hard for the teams around us to catch up. A kind of Real Madrid type scenario for the PL, which I reckon is privately what Mansour wants.

Well look at it this way, even if we do race away and end up with a Bayern Munich style situation, the media will keep everyone thinking it's competitive by telling the world every summer about the upcoming 4 way race between the old sky 4 for the title :)
 
Does anybody else NOT want us to steamroller the PL every season? Set a few records yes, do a double or treble, win the PL three times in a row yes (well 4 to set a new record) but not win it every single year and not have it done by April each time - I don't want the PL to turn into a one horse race like Scotland or a lesser extent Germany - we need other sides to like Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool to make a fist of it (Man U can fuck off however)
 
Does anybody else NOT want us to steamroller the PL every season? Set a few records yes, do a double or treble, win the PL three times in a row yes (well 4 to set a new record) but not win it every single year and not have it done by April each time - I don't want the PL to turn into a one horse race like Scotland or a lesser extent Germany - we need other sides to like Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool to make a fist of it (Man U can fuck off however)

It'd get boring alright after a while. I'd settle for being the new team constantly in the top 2 and let the others build up to a decent challenge every now and again in turns. :)
 
Good post and a fair summation I think of the choices the 'other three' face in terms of how to compete with City.

My own opinion is that Abramovich decided long ago he wasn't going to compete. Hence the biggest transfer fee they've paid post Torres is 32 million pounds for Costa/Hazard. This is a very different model from the one he used when he came in and is much closer to the Arsenal one. It's interesting for me because if Chelsea/Arsenal do continue to be content with a top 4 finish each year without there being an enormous pressure to deliver trophies we could end up in a situation where City dominate the league for the foreseeable future.

In a way that'd be a shame. Winning a competitive league is far more satisfying that winning a two team one. I'm not saying it's currently uncompetitive BTW, just that if the trends continue I can see us being miles ahead of the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal in five years time.

As our Mr K. said FFP is now history whilst still needing to be observed by all.

The Business Plan appears to be more ambitious than just PL and if the protracted negotiations that we had for KDB were caused by Bayern interference then we worry Europe as well.

Their problem is that we continue to invest rather than be satisfied with just winning the PL or a Cup to satisfy the reflective glory of our owner and us supporters.
CFG was formed as part of the global plan and to date we have little competition from others with this idea who understandably want no change to just sharing the global football bonanza from one club in one country.

In other words we are still in investment phase which must be worrying for the other owners who were happy to cartel to preserve their business model.
 
It won't. All things come to an end - just ask the dippers and the rags.

What I dream of is a good two decades of success before our star begins to wane.
 
NO. I want to win it every year, I really couldn't give a flying fuck about Chelsea, united, arseanal, liverpool or competion , I want to win the quadruple every year and keep on winning it playing great football ,I want to go on holiday in spain and instead of messi shirts everywhere I want one of our hero's on their backs. I want a trophy room the size of old Trafford, in fact I want sheik Mansour to buy old Trafford and make it our trophy room with Ferguson as the caretaker polishing our cups ,I want the world.
 
NO. I want to win it every year, I really couldn't give a flying fuck about Chelsea, united, arseanal, liverpool or competion , I want to win the quadruple every year and keep on winning it playing great football ,I want to go on holiday in spain and instead of messi shirts everywhere I want one of our hero's on their backs. I want a trophy room the size of old Trafford, in fact I want sheik Mansour to buy old Trafford and make it our trophy room with Ferguson as the caretaker polishing our cups ,I want the world.

+1

Also, the reason prem clubs are finding it difficult to consistently reach CL semi/finals is because the prem is so competitive compared to la Liga, Bundesliga, etc. You cant win the prem without putting out a very strong side every week. Compare that with Germany - BM usually have the title sewn up by March and can concentrate their best squad on the business end of the CL
 

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