Refugee crisis

[hilts]

The root cause is the unrest in the Middle East (and northern Africa for many of those in Calais and the rest of Europe). The issue with migrants will not stop unless the root cause is tackled. When the West has strode into war in that area of the world it hasn't been accepted by those living there, and rightly so. Hence, the only way to resolve this root cause is for the peaceful people of that region to stand up and fight for their home. It's what Britain had to do 75 years ago when it was threatened.

On the photo, it is absolutely tragic but it shouldn't cause anyone to change their opinion on the problem. It is simply highlighting something that has unfortunately been happening in large numbers for some time.

I would suggest that Britain should contribute something - temporary fostering of children from the area possibly - but that something should not be permanent.

Your suggesting ideas to solve the problem, unless you state categorically that we should not only let everyone who wants to come in but actually go and get them you are a heartless ****

It's how it works on here

 

[CTID1988]

may i ask opinions and iv'e had this thought for a while, why don't they send in a sufficient amount of troops in into Syria and wipe ISIS off the face of the earth and deal with Assad at the same time once they begin to clean up then bring in united nations to police the place, once this is done the re build can start and the refugees have the country back

Purely political and monetary reasons.
At no point ever does the suffering of innocent people come into it

 

[Ducado]

I really can't see why the UK could not take in say 10 or 20 thousand Syrian refugees on a proper basis we could create the facilities for them to me it's the only humane thing to do

 

[hilts]

I really can't see why the UK could not take in say 10 or 20 thousand Syrian refugees on a proper basis we could create the facilities for them to me it's the only humane thing to do

Would 20 thousand be your cut off point? Do we not allow refugees from other countries? If Isis cause another countries people to flee is it tough luck or do we take in another 20 thousand?

 

[big phil]

may i ask opinions and iv'e had this thought for a while, why don't they send in a sufficient amount of troops in into Syria and wipe ISIS off the face of the earth and deal with Assad at the same time once they begin to clean up then bring in united nations to police the place, once this is done the re build can start and the refugees have the country back

I'm no expert but it seems to me that the west are at the very least partly culpable for what's going on now. We got involved in Iraq and Libya and yet didn't have the foresight to see the vacuum we were creating. Perhaps it was to secure oil supplies, perhaps it was seen as a popular move designed to curry favour on home soil, but you can't tell me that ordinary Iraqis are better off now than they were under Saddam? Or that the number of migrants passing through Libya on route to Greece and Italy would have even bothered trying if Gaddafi was still in charge?
Yes, I believe we have a moral obligation to help people attempting to escape ISIS, but don't expect politicians of any persuasion to do anything that might affect their place at the trough come election time. The sickest joke of the lot is tony fucking blair employed (?) as a middle eastern envoy of peace. He should be tried for war crimes.
So, in answer to your original post, no I don't think we should take Assad out. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Ducado]

Would 20 thousand be your cut off point? Do we not allow refugees from other countries? If Isis cause another countries people to flee is it tough luck or do we take in another 20 thousand?

We either do it on an official basis or we allow the chaos to spread around us it's going to cost us either way

 

[EalingBlue2]

UKIP Candidate Peter Bucklitsch tweeted the following earlier:

"The little Syrian boy was well clothed & well fed. He died because his parents were greedy for the good life in Europe. Queue jumping costs."


Beggars belief.

Those sort of comments sound like the sort of he the Australian prime minister would say, genuinely I think that such a like of empathy implies sociopathic tendencies not someone fit to represent humanity though

 

[Chancy Termites]

Not been an expert on this but what are the Middle East countries doing to help, Saudi, Kuwait, UAE? Will they not take any or are they doing so already?

Israel too.

I read somewhere that Qatar had taken 40 families, whatever that means, but otherwise no more in the Arabian peninsula.

 

[hilts]

We either do it on an official basis or we allow the chaos to spread around us it's going to cost us either way

In fairness fella that didn't answer any of the questions I asked

 

[marco]

I really can't see why the UK could not take in say 10 or 20 thousand Syrian refugees on a proper basis we could create the facilities for them to me it's the only humane thing to do

that's all very well 10 or 20 thousand or maybe 30,000 at a push,have you any idea what would happen back in Syria and Iraq when word gets out 'the gates are open' il leave you to consider that one, the next thing 'what cost' to allow 20,000 in, were not a country that will put these people in tents they have to be homed looked after by the NHS also education for the younger ones, i think the reply your looking for is not could the UK take in but could the UK afford

 

[Chancy Termites]

Syrians are by no means the only people crossing from North Africa to southern Europe. Does anyone know the percentage?

Also, what's the breakdown of male/female and different ages of people passing through countries like Greece and Hungary?

 

[Ducado]

that's all very well 10 or 20 thousand or maybe 30,000 at a push,have you any idea what would happen back in Syria and Iraq when word gets out 'the gates are open' il leave you to consider that one, the next thing 'what cost' to allow 20,000 in, were not a country that will put these people in tents they have to be homed looked after by the NHS also education for the younger ones, i think the reply your looking for is not could the UK take in but could the UK afford

We have done it before we have a history of doing so, I don't have the answer to the problem I can only offer my basic humanity

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's going to get far worse,the Human Traffickers will now be able to convince more onto the Death Boats saying they are going to 100% be allowed into a European country.
Camerons right,it has to be stopped at source.

If Cameron wants it stopped at source he and the other political leaders have to do swim thing about it, something costly, something brave and something that is beyond anything they have shown capability of doing in the west since for a very long time.

Shouting out how tough you are and that it needs to be stopped at source is useless if you don't do anything about it.

If you stand around next to a house burning down with kids in it shouting fire fire whilst not attempting to get a ladder or a hosepipe or stand below the window, or run in you have let those kids die which is what I see our politicians doing.

The other day our dear prime minister here to much outrage said that ISIS were worse than the nazis as at least the nazis had the shame in what they did to try and hide it. A sick ignorant comment unworthy of a leader in itself.

But when a family escaping a regime he recognises to be worse than nazi's tries to come here he gets the navy to put tthem in a bright orange pod and they get towed out to where they will drift on the tides for a few days on to Indonesian soil. That is how much some politicians care, the cost of that operation alone is many times the cost of actually looking after them. But to publicly for your own elector ability try to create an enemy worse than the nazis and to then publicly make an enemy of the victims of that evil is contemptible beyond belief

 

[SilvaDreamachine]

meh...same as the picture of the kid (Kim Phuc) flayed by nalpalm after the attack on Trang Bang during the Vietnam war...if there ever was an iconic pic regarding war and the suffering of innocents this was it....heart bleeds for her then as this kid now but what has changed?

(thankfully Kim Phuc repatronised to Canada and is a scientist or something just as prestigious and is still alive today)

 

[CTID1988]

meh...same as the picture of the kid (Kim Phuc) flayed by nalpalm after the attack on Trang Bang during the Vietnam war...if there ever was an iconic pic regarding war and the suffering of innocents this was it....heart bleeds for her then as this kid now but what has changed?

(thankfully Kim Phuc repatronised to Canada and is a scientist or something just as prestigious and is still alive today)

Ironically the dead child was heading for Canada

 

[EalingBlue2]

We have done it before we have a history of doing so, I don't have the answer to the problem I can only offer my basic humanity

Marco your logic is if I sit with 50 people with 500 apples and we are used to having twelve a day each we cannot possibly share any apples with the 50 people sitting across the way who have five between them as we have our own problem we are 100 short. It is the view of many and proportionally is a fairly fair resource comprison between the poor people of Britain and the poor of regugee camps. That said in Britain one of the 50 probably has 400 of the apples and owns a newspaper and runs a story about how the group of 50 with the 5 apples really have 10000 and just want to steal all the apples you have and turn them into pears.
The reason the other group don't have apples is also quite possibly because the first group started a war and burnt their apple trees down

 

[SilvaDreamachine]

Ironically the dead child was heading for Canada

kills me mate...who gives a fuck about borders or where some **** stucjk a flag when youre fishing kids out of the sea

 

[EalingBlue2]

kills me mate...who gives a fuck about borders or where some **** stucjk a flag when youre fishing kids out of the sea

Amen to that

 

[hilts]

Marco your logic is if I sit with 50 people with 500 apples and we are used to having twelve a day each we cannot possibly share any apples with the 50 people sitting across the way who have five between them as we have our own problem we are 100 short. It is the view of many and proportionally is a fairly fair resource comprison between the poor people of Britain and the poor of regugee camps. That said in Britain one of the 50 probably has 400 of the apples and owns a newspaper and runs a story about how the group of 50 with the 5 apples really have 10000 and just want to steal all the apples you have and turn them into pears.

So your answer to the worlds ills is to take all the poor people in the world and plant them in rich countries, and then once you have done this go
Around and take all money and possessions off people and distribute evenly across the worlds population, and then do this on a daily basis so everyone has exactly the same amount of wealth and resources

It's fun this talking bollocks lark

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

They say you can judge a society by the way it treats those in genuine desperate need,
I tend to think we have, as a society been duped into fearing and resenting "immigrants" by the Toriy scaremongering, were better than that people, our grandparents would be ashamed of some of the spineless, "I'm all right Jack" head in the sand attitude that has been presenting by some of the public.
Half our health service is made up by "immigrants" half the population are of some kind of immigrant descendancy, how many on here have Irish/Welsh/Scottish roots?
It is our moral responsibility as human beings to help others in need, fuck politics, semantics, borders, these people need our help.
It's a crying shame that some people are more interested in burying their heads in the sand, ignoring it,,in the hope it will go away, it's not, it's only going to get worse, and Europe,and the world needs to step up and do something.

Some of the footage is desperate they need our help now, its to late to argue about the politics of it all when children are sleeping in the streets and babies are being born in an underpass, raising the money to give assistance is what we should be concerning ourselves with. I don't know if refugee funds have been set up yet but worldwide we could raise millions if some countries including our own started to fund raise. The Germans have started to offer assistance, well done to them but so should we.