Refugee crisis

[BigJoe#1]

I think you've just sourced a white power website. Could be wrong.

I think with stuff like this we should always be a bit weary of our outlets. Some sites will pick and choose snippets of information and quotes from sources to further an agenda.

That doesn't mean to say that there aren't people exploiting the refugee crisis. I'm certain they are, but I'd caution against quoting and believing everything from random news sites. Particularly ones that frequently use the phrase "non-white hordes"



Like the above from the article you pasted

I accept there are many and various versions of truth out there.... which ones do you recommend we should believe and quote?

I don't think there is much question about what is happening in Central Europe right now, many posters on here could foresee this the moment Merkele suggested Germany could take 500,000 a year which was always going to be a challenge, especially in these early days.

Personally I feel there is likely to be even more growing unrest as a result, so when incidents are reported should we, or should we not, digest and analyse them and come to our own individual conclusions, or should we ignore them as being scaremongering and sweep them under the carpet and carry on regardless.. assuming that is, that we accept them to be untruths?

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

I accept there are many and various versions of truth out there.... which ones do you recommend we should believe and quote?

Maybe ones that don't use inflammatory language like;
'boxes of fake Syrian passports, destined for sale and distribution to the hordes of nonwhite invaders seeking to settle in Europe as bogus “war refugees,”

Also looking at the website you've taken this from, another article on their page is titled;
'Ungrateful Invaders Demand Houses'

Another article is titled;

Israel bars "refugees", Builds Wall while Jews Support "Refugee" Invasion of Europe.

The article leads with this paragraph:

In yet another astonishing display of hypocritical Jewish Supremacism, the Israeli government has refused to accept any “refugees” from Syria or Africa—and is building a new wall to keep them out—while Israel-supporting Jews in Europe and America continue to demand that non-Jewish countries accept all Third World invaders without question.

I agree with the poster who stated earlier, this is a fucking white power racist website'.

I'm pissed off I've followed a link from here posted by you, which led me to a fucking site like that.

 

[Grolsch30]

Artikel in my lokal Celler Kurier saying that in the emergency Shelter in Scheuen which consists of large Tents where 470 Men, Women and children are living plus another 100 coming on Friday.

Of These arrivals 35% are Syrians
11% from Afgahnistan
9% from Irak
5% Pakistan
5% Eritrea & Sudan
Less than 10% from the Balkons

2/3's are men
1/4 under 18
The largest Overall Age Group is between 22 -30 years old.

The Artikel goes onto say that they don't know how acurate the figures are because they can only base them on what the migrants/refugees/ Asylum seekers tell them.
Also alot of the refugees/migrants or whatever Label you want to use have just left the camp and vanished. The helpers who are working there said they cannot stop them because they are apparently free to go wherever they want, and the helpers Job is not to stop them but help them!!

 

[BigJoe#1]

Maybe ones that don't use inflammatory language like;
'boxes of fake Syrian passports, destined for sale and distribution to the hordes of nonwhite invaders seeking to settle in Europe as bogus “war refugees,”

Also looking at the website you've taken this from, another article on their page is titled;
'Ungrateful Invaders Demand Houses'

Another article is titled;

Israel bars "refugees", Builds Wall while Jews Support "Refugee" Invasion of Europe.

The article leads with this paragraph:

In yet another astonishing display of hypocritical Jewish Supremacism, the Israeli government has refused to accept any “refugees” from Syria or Africa—and is building a new wall to keep them out—while Israel-supporting Jews in Europe and America continue to demand that non-Jewish countries accept all Third World invaders without question.

I agree with the poster who stated earlier, this is a fucking white power racist website'.

I'm pissed off I've followed a link from here posted by you, which led me to a fucking site like that.

To make a fair and reasonable judgement don't you need the full range of views and then put your own perspective on it? You cannot deny that immigration isn't an issue and that some people feel very strongly about it. Others quite rightly are extremely sympathetic and choose to consider allowing a mass immigration as being the preferred solution. I am sure the answer may not even Kay anywhere between these two viewpoints, but that's only my view.

I find that sometimes trying to understand others' points of view is the best place to start if you want engage in positive and productive discussion.... Even if you consider it to be way off the mark as far as you're concerned.

Anyway, it's unfortunate that my link took you somewhere where you didn't want to go (absolutely no offence intended)! but I hope it's given you a broader perspective from which you can construct arguments to support your points of view.

 

[Dubai Blue]

To make a fair and reasonable judgement don't you need the full range of views and then put your own perspective on it? You cannot deny that immigration isn't an issue and that some people feel very strongly about it. Others quite rightly are extremely sympathetic and choose to consider allowing a mass immigration as being the preferred solution. I am sure the answer may not even Kay anywhere between these two viewpoints, but that's only my view.

I find that sometimes trying to understand others' points of view is the best place to start if you want engage in positive and productive discussion.... Even if you consider it to be way off the mark as far as you're concerned.

Anyway, it's unfortunate that my link took you somewhere where you didn't want to go (absolutely no offence intended)! but I hope it's given you a broader perspective from which you can construct arguments to support your points of view.

But the article you linked to was a load of fabricated nonsense. It regurgitated something we've all heard before (suggestions that terrorists are sneaking into Europe disguised as refugees) and claims to prove that this is indeed now happening by publishing a photo that doesn't show anything of the sort. What can we possibly learn from that?

 

[stonerblue]

But the article you linked to was a load of fabricated nonsense. It regurgitated something we've all heard before (suggestions that terrorists are sneaking into Europe disguised as refugees) and claims to prove that this is indeed now happening by publishing a photo that doesn't show anything of the sort. What can we possibly learn from that?

What we learn from that is anyone can find a 'news' story that suits their agenda.

 

[Scottyboi]

Maybe ones that don't use inflammatory language like;
'boxes of fake Syrian passports, destined for sale and distribution to the hordes of nonwhite invaders seeking to settle in Europe as bogus “war refugees,”

Also looking at the website you've taken this from, another article on their page is titled;
'Ungrateful Invaders Demand Houses'

Another article is titled;

Israel bars "refugees", Builds Wall while Jews Support "Refugee" Invasion of Europe.

The article leads with this paragraph:

In yet another astonishing display of hypocritical Jewish Supremacism, the Israeli government has refused to accept any “refugees” from Syria or Africa—and is building a new wall to keep them out—while Israel-supporting Jews in Europe and America continue to demand that non-Jewish countries accept all Third World invaders without question.

I agree with the poster who stated earlier, this is a fucking white power racist website'.

I'm pissed off I've followed a link from here posted by you, which led me to a fucking site like that.

Just click off it and stop crying, some **** linked me to a United blog once I just manned up and had a bath.

 

[BigJoe#1]

But the article you linked to was a load of fabricated nonsense. It regurgitated something we've all heard before (suggestions that terrorists are sneaking into Europe disguised as refugees) and claims to prove that this is indeed now happening by publishing a photo that doesn't show anything of the sort. What can we possibly learn from that?

Not sure I get your point....

You say it's fabricated, regurgitated nonsense, something we've all heard before.... So do you think terrorists are being smuggled into Europe under the cover of the Refugees or not is where this part of the debate begins. The fact that an old picture is being used is poor journalism I agree but don't let that deflect from the point being made. It's being made in more than one or two places and countries.

I'll assume (possibly incorrectly) that you accept thus is correct, in which case is it not worthy of discussion?

My main points around this is that it appears Germany are now acknowledging there's a problem (more so than some posters on BM), not necessarily an infiltration problem but certainly a control problem, which by definition identifies an increased infiltration risk, or don't you agree?

If as is being reported there are issues in Switzerland, Greece, Germany, Austria as well as the well documented issues (not all the of the refugees making) in Hungary, I do think it is a matter of concern on many fronts, many fronts that we in the UK need to understand as it will only be a matter of time before we're instructed to accepte big numbers of refugees, which in turn opens a whole load of new issues especially if potentially there could be terrorists in that number we as a nation need to have informed dabate.

I guess it all depends on if you believe these sporadic outbursts of violence are fact or fiction, and then about what are the causes?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Of course there's the potential for terrorists to disguise themselves as refugees, but it all seems a bit far-fetched to me. And linking to an article that erroneously claims to show categoric evidence that this is indeed happening does nothing to further the debate.

 

[CityStu]

Of course there's the potential for terrorists to disguise themselves as refugees, but it all seems a bit far-fetched to me. And linking to an article that erroneously claims to show categoric evidence that this is indeed happening does nothing to further the debate.

Why does it seem far fetched? If you were leading ISIS' strategy, would you want activists among the refugees?

 

[CTID1988]

Its not like the ISIS disguising themselves as refugees plot has just been invented in the last few weeks. Last year on BBC news this was highlighted as a credible threat, something the US intelligence agencies discovered.
Not saying its true, or how reliable us "intelligence" agencies are, but it was deemed a threat over a year ago.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Its not like the ISIS disguising themselves as refugees plot has just been invented in the last few weeks. Last year on BBC news this was highlighted as a credible threat, something the US intelligence agencies discovered.
Not saying its true, or how reliable us "intelligence" agencies are, but it was deemed a threat over a year ago.

This is correct but does not the current situation invite ISIS to infiltrate? After all ISIS did warn back in February that they would manufacture a mass immigration into Southern Europe and that they would use this to smuggle their terrorists into Europe.

I suspect this is what has happened and I am not at all surprised. I just hope beyond hope we are not going to witness atrocities across Europe because of this!

 

[Matty]

This is correct but does not the current situation invite ISIS to infiltrate? After all ISIS did warn back in February that they would manufacture a mass immigration into Southern Europe and that they would use this to smuggle their terrorists into Europe.

I suspect this is what has happened and I am not at all surprised. I just hope beyond hope we are not going to witness atrocities across Europe because of this!

Yeah, the website you linked to was an extreme right propaganda website, aimed at instilling fear and hatred of anyone "swarthy" in the white populous. You can't view articles like that one to get "facts" or to see a view of what's happening. It's agenda driven in the extreme, each article could basically say "these people are different to us, they will kill you and rape your family, we must hound them down and shoot them all in the head". There is absolutely zero worth in linking to, or bothering to read, this racist, reactionary, hate fuelled bullshit.

What's your solution then? That Britain shuts it's borders to anyone who looks a bit "Muslimy"? We ignore our role in World politics/humanity and leave it up to the rest of Europe to help these people because there might be a very small minority who are intent on doing no good? Lets face it, after 7/7 and the Lee Righby killing, it's not as if ISIS/Al Qaeda need to import mental Muslim extremists is it? There's more than enough potential to radicalise the current population, if the individuals are that way inclined.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Yeah, the website you linked to was an extreme right propaganda website, aimed at instilling fear and hatred of anyone "swarthy" in the white populous. You can't view articles like that one to get "facts" or to see a view of what's happening. It's agenda driven in the extreme, each article could basically say "these people are different to us, they will kill you and rape your family, we must hound them down and shoot them all in the head". There is absolutely zero worth in linking to, or bothering to read, this racist, reactionary, hate fuelled bullshit.

What's your solution then? That Britain shuts it's borders to anyone who looks a bit "Muslimy"? We ignore our role in World politics/humanity and leave it up to the rest of Europe to help these people because there might be a very small minority who are intent on doing no good? Lets face it, after 7/7 and the Lee Righby killing, it's not as if ISIS/Al Qaeda need to import mental Muslim extremists is it? There's more than enough potential to radicalise the current population, if the individuals are that way inclined.

Matty, your first question is a brilliant one, and do you know what..... I just don't know, I don't have a clue what can be done to resolve this situation.

My radical side says the world should unite (knowing it never will) and launch a concerted attack against the murderous bastards out there, the trouble is that includes just about everyone living there, which makes the task nigh on impossible. My next thought is for this force to "take" land, secure it and start building the required facilities and infrastructure in their own land, this is probably impractical and expensive.

As much as I don't know what to do, I am equally convinced about what not to do, and that is to allow mass immigration. I appreciate not everyone will agree with this but I'm afraid it's the best I can come up with. I believe we are at severe risk of causing a major imbalance in Europe if the policy is to allow unlimited immigration.... It will be an open goal for the moderate and far right wingers as well as the Euro sceptics.

 

[Moriati]

The vast majority of refugees are coming from countries e.g. Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, which were targeted by the West for ‘regime change’ and which experienced bombing/invasion or destabilization by NATO powers and their regional allies. We’re told by the West’s political elite and much of the media that in order to stop the influx of refugees to Europe we need to do more bombing !
If radical Islamist terror groups such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS are such a danger, why are we still trying to topple a government which has been fighting them? Why does UK Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne say that the British Parliament’s refusal to support US-led air-strikes on the Syrian government in 2013 was “one of the worst decisions the House of Commons has ever made” when voting 'Yes' would have put the RAF on the same side as ISIS - a group which claimed responsibility for the killing of 30 British tourists on a beach in Tunisia earlier this summer? Surely if our leaders really wanted to defeat ISIS, they would be working with countries in the region that have a vested interest in defeating ISIS - like the government in Syria - and not working to overthrow them, which would only help ISIS.

 

[CTID1988]

Matty, your first question is a brilliant one, and do you know what..... I just don't know, I don't have a clue what can be done to resolve this situation.

My radical side says the world should unite (knowing it never will) and launch a concerted attack against the murderous bastards out there, the trouble is that includes just about everyone living there, which makes the task nigh on impossible. My next thought is for this force to "take" land, secure it and start building the required facilities and infrastructure in their own land, this is probably impractical and expensive.

As much as I don't know what to do, I am equally convinced about what not to do, and that is to allow mass immigration. I appreciate not everyone will agree with this but I'm afraid it's the best I can come up with. I believe we are at severe risk of causing a major imbalance in Europe if the policy is to allow unlimited immigration.... It will be an open goal for the moderate and far right wingers as well as the Euro sceptics.

Stopped reading at "that includes just about everyone living there".

 

[BigJoe#1]

Stopped reading at "that includes just about everyone living there".

Ok, a point badly made but how do you separate and segregate the government forces in Syria, the ISIS gunmen and the other rebel forces? Like I said I havent a clue.....

Have you any suggestions as to what the end game solution is, and more importantly how to get there?

 

[CTID1988]

Ok, a point badly made but how do you separate and segregate the government forces in Syria, the ISIS gunmen and the other rebel forces? Like I said I havent a clue.....

Have you any suggestions as to what the end game solution is, and more importantly how to get there?

I was thinking this yesterday, what could the solution be and thought that maybe there just isn't one. Maybe everything is just fucked.
I think the touch paper for the beginning of the end was lit a while ago and this is just another bit of fuel to the fire. We are all doomed, we are hurtling towards certain death and destruction and there is fuck all we can do about it.
Happy Monday everyone!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Well that didn't take long. Complete about face and the immediate introduction of interment camps. Got to love gerry.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Well that didn't take long. Complete about face and the immediate introduction of interment camps. Got to love gerry.

What do you think they've learned over the last three days that they didn't know last week (but should have).... do you think Angela reads the Bluemoon off topic forum?