Why So Blue?

BillyShears said:
You'd both have a point if the slagging currently going on around the forum was restricted to the manager. Only it isn't Pretty much every outfield player with the exception of De Bruyne has been slagged off royally at some point in the last month. Bit tragic on a City forum. The reality of what we are is far removed from the reflections on Bluemoon at present.
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It was just a funny comment mate, don't take it to heart.

Yep the doom and gloom is exaggerated but it's also silly for those believe nothing is wrong with a performance like that last night. There are problems in organisation at the back, players regressing and the insistence of a two man midfield which leaves our defense badly exposed.
 
BillyShears said:
Three of those things (playing without commitment, concentrating for 90 minutes, and missing chances) go without saying. Those things have little to do with tactical set up or coaching and everything to do with individual performances. You can have everyone concentrate for 90 minutes and play with 100% commitment, but the strikers struggle. Equally you can have the perfect attacking performance, a defender can make a poor decision in a one on one and you concede.

With regards to the high line and Toure, I simply don't agree. I don't agree that Toure is the huge problem people are making out. I think it totally ignores the attacking qualities he brings to the game. Madrid and Barca have won the CL in the last two years playing with a very high line.

I'm not arguing that there aren't flaws in the way we play or that we played well last night. I am however arguing that the reaction to last night's performance is both knee jerk and OTT from many corners. As Rolee says above, we weren't at our best but equally we won, and in Europe it's rare that you'll dominate a side for 90 minutes. They will have moments over the 90 minutes where they are dominating. It's the nature of the competition because of the quality of the sides in it.
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You know my opinion of Toure, the man has been an absolute beast for us, probably our most influential big game player, ever.... However, I say this with heavy heart bud, he's becoming a liability in that 2 man role, if we're to utilise his pluses, it has to be in a 3 in Europe.

He's become too easy to pass around unfortunately, if dinho isn't at 100%, which he wasn't last night, it exposes the fragility in yaya further. We are losing so much more from dinho having to be a constant water carrier for the midfield, he'll be burned out by Jan at this rate...

The ideal scenario is yaya can be accommodated at the top of a 3, as I do agree his effectiveness in attacking positions, is still too good to ignore.. The problem, as if it really is a problem, is we now have options, ones which certain games dictate should be used, however, from the sound of Manuel, he'll stand by Yaya no matter what, to me, that's stupid and will ultimately tarnish his reputation with city in Europe.. He has an opportunity here to adapt, I honestly believe that a shift in tactics would propel us into the latter stages!!!
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
You know my opinion of Toure, the man has been an absolute beast for us, probably our most influential big game player, ever.... However, I say this with heavy heart bud, he's becoming a liability in that 2 man role, if we're to utilise his pluses, it has to be in a 3 in Europe.

He's become too easy to pass around unfortunately, if dinho isn't at 100%, which he wasn't last night, it exposes the fragility in yaya further. We are losing so much more from dinho having to be a constant water carrier for the midfield, he'll be burned out by Jan at this rate...

The ideal scenario is yaya can be accommodated at the top of a 3, as I do agree his effectiveness in attacking positions, is still too good to ignore.. The problem, as if it really is a problem, is we now have options, ones which certain games dictate should be used, however, from the sound of Manuel, he'll stand by Yaya no matter what, to me, that's stupid and will ultimately tarnish his reputation with city in Europe.. He has an opportunity here to adapt, I honestly believe that a shift in tactics would propel us into the latter stages!!!
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Who would you drop to accommodate Toure in a 3 man midfield?

Personally I'd drop Toure before I did that because I certainly wouldn't be putting Toure in KDB, Sterling, or Silva's positions. As your kid said in the match day thread, he'd be an amazing impact sub if he weren't such a mardy fucker you just know he'd pull a Tevez tout suite if benched.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Ok, so in both games we scored 2 goals.

Had Gladbach taken half of theirs it'd have been 8-2, had Sevilla done the same it'd been 6-2.

Pretty embarrassing defeats in my book don't know about yours.
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We had 25 shots against Gladbach.
 
I'd play Toure as a number 10 with De Bruyne and Silva either side and i'd play Fernando with Dinho. Toure looks so dangerous picking up the ball in the final third. The problem is he drops too deep because we don't have anyone with his quality in a deeper area.
 
To those going on about Toure in a two in midfield, this wasn't our main problem last night. Our main problem was out wide where both full backs were getting the runaround. When Kolarov came on Sevilla barely had a sniff for the rest of the game.
 
Rolee said:
To those going on about Toure in a two in midfield, this wasn't our main problem last night. Our main problem was out wide where both full backs were getting the runaround. When Kolarov came on Sevilla barely had a sniff for the rest of the game.
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I know we're not desperate to admit it, but after Zaba came off we were much better.
 
BillyShears said:
Who would you drop to accommodate Toure in a 3 man midfield?

Personally I'd drop Toure before I did that because I certainly wouldn't be putting Toure in KDB, Sterling, or Silva's positions. As your kid said in the match day thread, he'd be an amazing impact sub if he weren't such a mardy fucker you just know he'd pull a Tevez tout suite if benched.
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You can't drop KDB, Sterling or Silva to accommodate Yaya but equally he's done in a two man midfield. He's been incredible for us but the fact is we don't need his attacking contribution anymore. Most sides that have the fire power we do in the likes of Silva, Sterling, De Bruyne and Aguero will not look to the two central positions to contribute much more than effective control of possession, quick forward passing and support running in attack and defence. The Barca system for me isn't worth comparing to ours. In Messi, Neymar and Suarez they have so much firepower that the opposition normally lose a player trying to help double up on one of them. That makes it less of a priority for Rakitic for instance to be too concerned defensively. Having said that, I don't think we should be looking at Barca for defensive lessons in any case. They've been far from perfect in this department. Similarly, Real have Modric who can play a box to box role but is generally more attack minded. What Real tend to do though is remain compact without the ball and then explode forward with the pace of their wide players.

In my opinion we can't talk about the end of Yaya until we've seen more of Delph. When Delph is fit I'd love to see him in partnership with Fernandinho. Both are energetic, both can pass and tackle and both are capable of creating chances. I think Fernandinho could excel alongside Delph and take on some more attacking responsibility. Delph isn't as good as Yaya, but when you have De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling and Aguero ahead of you our plan of action should be getting the ball to them as quickly as possible and the two midfielders should be playing a support role. Both Delph and Fernandinho are comfortable in possession (though Delph does dwell on it a little too long at times). That's the way we should be going in my opinion. Since De Bruyne's introduction we've seen Yaya create very few chances and his role as an attacker has since been slightly reduced until last night.
 
BillyShears said:
Who would you drop to accommodate Toure in a 3 man midfield?

Personally I'd drop Toure before I did that because I certainly wouldn't be putting Toure in KDB, Sterling, or Silva's positions. As your kid said in the match day thread, he'd be an amazing impact sub if he weren't such a mardy fucker you just know he'd pull a Tevez tout suite if benched.
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The ideal scenario would be the impact one, isn't gonna happen though... It's like watching your dogs back legs going, you put off the trip to the vet, you convince yourself he'll be jumping up and down again in no time, he just needs to rest.... I hate seeing yaya like this as in full flow he was probably the most devastating attacking midfielder the prem has seen. Can he get it back?? Doubtful, can we prolong his career by using him sparingly? You answered it already, the player has to realise...

I know one thing though bud, Pep would fuck the vet off and shoot him himself (:
 
ono said:
I'd play Toure as a number 10 with De Bruyne and Silva either side and i'd play Fernando with Dinho. Toure looks so dangerous picking up the ball in the final third. The problem is he drops too deep because we don't have anyone with his quality in a deeper area.
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He looks dangerous in that position when we're playing on the counter, problem being we set up to dominate rather than counter which means Yaya ends up playing with his back to goal rendering him completely ineffective, escapes me at the moment but we played this way recently and it was probably Yaya's worst performance.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
The ideal scenario would be the impact one, isn't gonna happen though... It's like watching your dogs back legs going, you put off the trip to the vet, you convince yourself he'll be jumping up and down again in no time, he just needs to rest.... I hate seeing yaya like this as in full flow he was probably the most devastating attacking midfielder the prem has seen. Can he get it back?? Doubtful, can we prolong his career by using him sparingly? You answered it already, the player has to realise...

I know one thing though bud, Pep would fuck the vet off and shoot him himself (:
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Then we sell up next summer and move on. Fully agree about Pep. He'd have little time for more than just Toure. There's a few others that wouldn't get near one of his sides.
 
Rolee said:
He looks dangerous in that position when we're playing on the counter, problem being we set up to dominate rather than counter which means Yaya ends up playing with his back to goal rendering him completely ineffective, escapes me at the moment but we played this way recently and it was probably Yaya's worst performance.
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Spurs away.

In fact unless I'm mistaken every time we've tried to play with Toure and the two Ferns we've ended up losing.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
The ideal scenario would be the impact one, isn't gonna happen though... It's like watching your dogs back legs going, you put off the trip to the vet, you convince yourself he'll be jumping up and down again in no time, he just needs to rest.... I hate seeing yaya like this as in full flow he was probably the most devastating attacking midfielder the prem has seen. Can he get it back?? Doubtful, can we prolong his career by using him sparingly? You answered it already, the player has to realise...

I know one thing though bud, Pep would fuck the vet off and shoot him himself (:
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Totally disagree, Toure still looks unbelievable with the ball in and around their 18 yard box. He needs to play up there more often and sack of trying to be the deep creator for 75 mins a game.
 
ono said:
Yeah but mainly because Konoplyanka went off and Nzonzi came on. Total change of emphasis and attacking intent.
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That didn't happen until 20 minutes after Zaba went off. Sagna wrapped Konplyanka up.
 
meeesh said:
I ain't a Navas hater,but shone last night ? I don't think so

A few mazy runs but pretty poor crossing AGAIN
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Our best player by a mile. If everyone had contributed to the team the way Jesus did we would have won at a canter last night.
 
BillyShears said:
Spending some time reading this forum this morning I'm staggered by the negativity about last night. I realise that it wasn't our best performance but equally we won, and taking into account the result that Juve got, the win last night no matter how we got it is huge.

I keep reading that we should be worried about the rags as well. Why? What is it in their form that is much more impressive than ours? Which players have they got who are better than ours? Their manager a better manager than ours?

And all the hanging our own players out to dry, slagging off all and sundry for being shit/naive/not good enough. Some people on here seem intent to slag anything and everything off at every opportunity. Makes the forum a fucking terrible place.
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Totally agree with this, the criticism is totally disproportionate when considering both our position in the league (top ffs) and our position in the champs league.

What happened to that's what champions do, win when they don't play to their maximum.

Also it's hard to expect the players to turn up when their is so much apathy from the stands. But no one looks at the p*ss poor support we give them.

There's a reason why Klopp is asking the Kop to turn up the noise......
 
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