Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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domalino said:
So in the next few years, Spurs, Chelsea and ourselves will all have 60,000+ seater stadia.

Liverpool are going to be f*cked. They're doing their big expansion to increase match day revenue and get into the top 4, and they aren't even keeping up with the rest. Arsenal too, spent 9 years with no trophies to fund the Emirates and the advantage they thought they'd get from it will last <5 years.

On the other hand - an England World Cup would surely be on the cards then. Wembley, Etihad, swamp, new WHL, new Stanford Bridge, the Emirates all over 60,000. St. James park and Anfield 50,000+.

No other country in the world can compete in terms of infrastructure.
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eh?

Westfalen/Dortmund 81k
Allianz/Bayern 75k
Olympic stadium Berlin 74k
Olympic stadium Münich/70k
Schalke/62k
Stuttgart/60k
Hamburg/57k
Dusseldorf/54k
Mönghengladbach/54k

and they're not the only +50k stadiums either!

but thankfully for your theory they had their WC recently.
 
ColinLee said:
Doesn't safe standing equate to a third extra so if the South stand is 10,000 (a guess because I can't recall) it would be 13,300.
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The Sudtribune at Dortmund adds about 16000 extra bodies when standing is allowed

65k for European Matches

81k for League matches

I guess there's different designs! But a third seems far to low for Me. Thought it added approx 1.8 for every seat. So 10000 would be approx 18000. Seems much more in line with the Dortmund model.
 
Safe standing, if introduced in this country, will have its capacity determined by the safety authorities. I doubt that any increase in capacity will be allowed at all but if it is it won't be on the German scale.
 
Bluearmy said:
The Sudtribune at Dortmund adds about 16000 extra bodies when standing is allowed

65k for European Matches

81k for League matches

I guess there's different designs! But a third seems far to low for Me. Thought it added approx 1.8 for every seat. So 10000 would be approx 18000. Seems much more in line with the Dortmund model.
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I posted that before actually checking (silly billy that I am), I posted later that in Germany it's between 20 and 80% increase.

ColinLee said:
According to this http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/safe-standing-the-business-case the German clubs vary between 20% and 80% increase, presumably down to different designs.
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tailspin747 said:
Safe standing doesn't increase capacity as far as i'm aware. Rail seats use the same space as a standard seat.
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It does. Basically when used a a standing enclosure the rail seats are bolted up allowing extra people to accommodate those areas. Hence why Dortmund's capacity is only around 65k for European games and over 80k for Bundesliga matches
 
Dunne's own goal said:
eh?

Westfalen/Dortmund 81k
Allianz/Bayern 75k
Olympic stadium Berlin 74k
Olympic stadium Münich/70k
Schalke/62k
Stuttgart/60k
Hamburg/57k
Dusseldorf/54k
Mönghengladbach/54k

and they're not the only +50k stadiums either!

but thankfully for your theory they had their WC recently.
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Yeah, except that's complete bollocks isn't it because those are with standing sections...
 
wagonman said:
You shouldn't really... the Showsec people might tell you to sit down.

JJ
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petrusha said:
Thanks for this. Always really helpful to benefit from specialist knowledge in relation to parts of the process.

Would it be viable to apply for outline permission for the collar site as a whole and reserved matters for phase 1 at the same time?

If so, would we be looking at a timescale of something like - six months consultation and two further months to analyse responses before making the application; and 12 months to decide on the application? That would be 20 months, meaning that if my timescale for the North Stand is right, to complete the North Stand in August 2017 and press straight on with collar site Phase 1 in September 2017, you'd need to announce the collar site consultation in January 2016.

We'll know pretty soon, then, whether that's the plan.
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I would have thought City would be consulting with key agencies right now. Highways, utilities etc in order to get a rough idea whether the proposals would be viable and acceptable and to work on any solution. It's how we do things so we're not going in "blind".

The best way to do things in my opinion would be a hybrid application with Phase 1 detailed planning and the rest simply a red line outline application permitting the uses across the site.

That way the process can be slightly quicker and you’ve established the uses across the site for future Reserved Matters applications.


If the club has already had a few pre-application meetings with the council and conversed with the relevant statutory consultees then the consultation process shouldn’t be too tough. A public consultation exercise is necessary with something of this scale but it’s not something that needs to hold up the process too much. Different developers manage them in different ways. Some letter drop, some do full on exhibitions and what’s required by law is still quite weak.


Proposals should emerge soon though. If someone asks “how long will it take to get planning?” you could say “how long’s a piece of string?”… I’d hope this takes on some national focus in which case the council will prioritise and speed the process up.
 
Must be. I've got a feeling there will be more high profile gigs at The Etihad next summer. Good move by the club, cash in on the expanded stadium in preparation for further ground improvements in the next 2-3 years...
 
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