Attacks in Paris

coleridge said:
Go on, as a treat I'll go along with your deranged rantings and prented that that they are based in reality. So. what we gonna do, mate? Imprison, say, a million UK citizens? Have a civil war? Have them all executed? I know what Red Ken would say about you. ;)
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urban genie said:
well there are plenty of buddhists in burma killing muslims to be fair, but yeah my wife, kids and in laws are buddhist and very kind n respectful, my mother in law is the most selfless person I have ever met and a devout buddhist, who goes to the temple every day to help the monks
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Didn't that winner of the Nobel Peace Prize agree in public with the military that all Muslims would be banned from office, even if elected?
 
coleridge said:
LOL. Best laugh I've had today. IIRC Everett was Jewish. Genius of a comedian in his own strange way.
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Like a lot of his ilk ( think Milligan, Cook, Bentine ) seemed to walk a fine line between genius and lunacy - sometimes superbly pant wettingly great and others leaving you with an eh? was that funny? feeling. Think the world needs them though - somebody needs to push at all sides of the comedy boundary
 
aguero93:20 said:
I'd say the religion grew from the society personally rather than the other way around, I can't see it being too much different without the region itself drastically changing in terms of social infrastructure, education etc. Hard to tell. I'd put money on the cunts that carried out that attack in Paris still being scum though.
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Religion grew out of lack of science and understanding. It's easy for humans to personify what they don't know.

If the scientific understanding and the progress of modern soceity is a ships journey, religion is the anchor we're struggling to lift. The whole concept of religion is undemocratic after all.

You take religion out of The Middle East, it's still not going to be perfect as nowhere is, but I reckon there would be a significant improvement at least in a fair few areas.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Like a lot of his ilk ( think Milligan, Cook, Bentine ) seemed to walk a fine line between genius and lunacy - sometimes superbly pant wettingly great and others leaving you with an eh? was that funny? feeling. Think the world needs them though - somebody needs to push at all sides of the comedy boundary
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Feeling the same, mate. Mad, depressing week. Could do with some mad British comedy to cheer us all up.
 
coleridge said:
I follow him on twitter and he engages. I like him a lot.

Which is more than I can say for @Gelsons Dad with his nonsense such as 'some Muslims have begun to talk about the underlying problems'.

How dare you patronise and insult us with such childish slurs. You write as if we are all uneducated idiots and/or are in this grand conspiracy that the WUMs on here like to talk about. For my family, the only underlying problem is not being treated, by some, as equals in the society in which we live.
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Coleridge, you miss the point yet again. The message we have heard for many years now is that these people are not Muslims and don't represent the views of muslims. That this is not associated to Islam and these peoples views are completely different to all normal muslims.

I know this to be untrue. I know many muslims and have worked and lived in the middle east. I have sat down to eat with highly educated and erudite men and women and listened to the conversation as it turned to subjects such as 9/11 and Israel. I have held my tongue while people talked of Jews not being human but simply dogs and how in the end they will be wiped out because for every Jewish child born there are 10 Muslim children born. I heard that verbatim from a senior manager in a large engineering company in Jordan.

This kind of extremism is not at all uncommon in Muslims communities everywhere. Ive heard it all over the muslim world. And yes Ive travelled to many many muslim countries with my work. I've even helped many thousands of Muslims do Hajj by flying to and from Jedda from North Africa for a couple of months twice in the early 2000's flying with muslim crews from Algeria, Jordan, Egypt amongst others. I have also trained pilots from Saudi Arabian Airlines, Air Egypt, Royal Jordanian and others. I always get on well with them because they take me to be from the middle east due to my looks. They also express views which they probably wouldn't in other company. I speak from a wide experience of the muslim world.

You claim again and again the the extreme views which eventually lead to normal people becoming radicle terrorists don't exist in everyday Muslim life. Well I think you are wrong and so does Sadiq Khan.
Mr Khan added bluntly: 'Extremism isn't a theoretical risk. Most British Muslims have come across someone with extremist views at some point - and so have I. It's affected my personal life, my friendships, and my career.

'People I knew as a boy have gone on to hold extremist views, and even to act on them in terrible ways.

'When I was a lawyer, as well as representing people who were badly treated by the police or their employers, I sometimes had the unpleasant job of representing people with extremist views.

'It was horrible - but it went with the job. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to challenge the hideous views of seemingly intelligent and articulate people.

'People who look and sound like normal Londoners, until they say that 9/11 was a Mossad conspiracy. That the Jewish workers in the twin towers were tipped off and escaped.

'That Western foreign policy is the cause of all the world's problems. That there could be a land of milk and honey, if there was an Islamic kalifate. I could go on.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-London-Mayor-Sadiq-Khan.html#ixzz3rySKtn4v
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coleridge said:
Go on, as a treat I'll go along with your deranged rantings and prented that that they are based in reality. So. what we gonna do, mate? Imprison, say, a million UK citizens? Have a civil war? Have them all executed? I know what Red Ken would say about you. ;)
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Why am I deranged? I am going to the match on Saturday and am having to think where I will put my bag which I have taken for ten years to buy programmes from Karl in Mary d,s. I will probably be delayed and have to get searched as will my 70 year old dad who takes a flask and packed lunch. (And I am nightly pissed off that this is because some nutters believe I a make believe God and want to bomb people who don't) He has been going for 50 years. I am a peaceful man and want no one executed or imprisoned providing that they don't want to hurt me, my family or the country I have loved living in. Many Muslims I have come across have sympathy for extreme views and even if they don't they don't actively come out and do things to help this dire situation. People can take this piss all they want but statistics show it to be true. all i want is anyone who shows any support whatsoever for Isis - for example the prick from toddmoden who said look out Manchester you are next. Throw him in jail for ten years. My son goes to a private school and ninety percent of his class is Muslim and it is wonderful and I am good friends with many of the parents. I debate this subject with them every week but there are some fundamental issues in that religion which need to be addressed. If you can't see that what can I say?!
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Coleridge, you miss the point yet again. The message we have heard for many years now is that these people are not Muslims and don't represent the views of muslims. That this is not associated to Islam and these peoples views are completely different to all normal muslims.

I know this to be untrue. I know many muslims and have worked and lived in the middle east. I have sat down to eat with highly educated and erudite men and women and listened to the conversation as it turned to subjects such as 9/11 and Israel. I have held my tongue while people talked of Jews not being human but simply dogs and how in the end they will be wiped out because for every Jewish child born there are 10 Muslim children born. I heard that verbatim from a senior manager in a large engineering company in Jordan.

This kind of extremism is not at all uncommon in Muslims communities everywhere. Ive heard it all over the muslim world. And yes Ive travelled to many many muslim countries with my work. I've even helped many thousands of Muslims do Hajj by flying to and from Jedda from North Africa for a couple of months twice in the early 2000's flying with muslim crews from Algeria, Jordan, Egypt amongst others. I have also trained pilots from Saudi Arabian Airlines, Air Egypt, Royal Jordanian and others. I always get on well with them because they take me to be from the middle east due to my looks. They also express views which they probably wouldn't in other company. I speak from a wide experience of the muslim world.

You claim again and again the the extreme views which eventually lead to normal people becoming radicle terrorists don't exist in everyday Muslim life. Well I think you are wrong and so does Sadiq Khan.
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If ISIS isn't associated with Islam then neither is Muhammad
 
coleridge said:
I follow him on twitter and he engages. I like him a lot.

Which is more than I can say for @Gelsons Dad with his nonsense such as 'some Muslims have begun to talk about the underlying problems'.

How dare you patronise and insult us with such childish slurs. You write as if we are all uneducated idiots and/or are in this grand conspiracy that the WUMs on here like to talk about. For my family, the only underlying problem is not being treated, by some, as equals in the society in which we live.
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Who is 'we'
 
Coley. I am done making you look foolish. You can enjoy blaming reptilian zionists for all the ills in youre faith. Youre replies in this thread including the grovelling retractions when you jumped the gun prove what ive been saying all along. Please block me. X
 
Oh dear - I was accused of having an agenda by banging on about Police cuts endangering the UK Public in the event of a Paris style attack. A document sent to Theresa May by a senior Police official has said the cuts set to be announced in next weeks spending review will

" significantly reduce the Uk's ability to respond " to an attack as the ability to mobilise large numbers of officers would " reduce very significantly across the country"

The Home Office said it " doesn't comment on leaked documents"
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Mosul next then.
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It would appear so, but it terms of this discussion whilst they are under the cosh so to speak they are going to lash out, in order to convince potential recruits that they are still relevant but sooner or later the maths will catch up with them, I will give them about 6 months in Syria and perhaps a year or so more in Iraq (although it's more complex in Iraq)
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Coley. I am done making you look foolish. You can enjoy blaming reptilian zionists for all the ills in youre faith. Youre replies in this thread including the grovelling retractions when you jumped the gun prove what ive been saying all along. Please block me. X
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To be fair, he's managed to make himself look foolish without too much help from others.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Mosul next then.
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Yep! Wherever they go bomb. Turn the screw harder. Wherever they go, wherever they hide, bomb. Eventually they will give up and phase out into nothingness aslong as Russia and France are consistent.

Add that with applying pressure to the Saudis to try and limit their funding.

Every known radicalised Muslim throughout Europe needs rounding up and de-radicalising through whatever means....perhaps forced therapy.

This isn't the time for left and ring wing point scoring, it's the time for action.

The U.S. caused ISIS with their enabled springs of Libya, eygpt and their failed attempt with Syria.

A lot of ISIS soldiers now are mercenaries hired initially by the US to fight assaad.....who have now jumped ship to ISIS who have funds from Saudia Arabia and countries buying oil from ISIS Via proxy.......which countries are buying the oil? All the governments will know and it will be cut price too.
 
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