United Thread 2015/16

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mufc1988 said:
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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Wow, did you miss the point about different owners.

We all know the Glazers are making out like bandits, milking millions from Utd, and not spending that much of their own money. It's undeniable.

However, and you seem to have missed this tiny point, The Glazers have stripped several hundred million from Utd. The sheikh has put in several hundred million and taken nothing out. I wonder which a fan of the club thinks is doing best for the club.

ADUG are in fact assuming that the oil will run out at some point, and need to diversify their portfolio. To do that, they need to be known, reputable and successful. The oil price is utterly immaterial to their aim, other than minor amendments to timetables.
Abu Dhabi is pretty stable.
Ah, the inflated sponsorship deal thingy again. I think that's standard whine number 6. Those deals have been signed off by auditors as being fair value. Maybe you kow more than qualified accountants.
Point 4 - well, I have no idea what that might be meant to mean.
 
mufc1988 said:
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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Amongst yet more inaccuracies(at best), no one is betting in oil prices. Do a bit a reading, really it's not hard to find, that City''s owners have invested money all over the world in a variety of areas to protect against the price of oil and for when it runs out

Not by any measurable way van the Glazer's be described as 'good owners', one more defeat and the green and yellow scarfs will be out - you'll be able to spot them on the telly
 
lloydie said:
You're attached to a brand that was glamorous in the 90's/00's, despite you're reading up on their history you have no deeper understanding of English (or World) football than understanding why Marathon became Snickers.

We have plenty of new supporters from the states but they are respectful of our history and the history of football in general and I doubt many would attempt to teach their grannies ow to suck eggs.

I don't know where you live in Septicania but I would entreat you to support your local club so you become a part of it's culture and fuckoff from pontificating whereof you do not know.
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Yes ... but what got your new supporters attracted to you in the first place?
Was it because City are a 'working man's club' or was it having 5 years of sustained success?
 
mufc1988 said:
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with a leveraged buy out.
Whenever you use your credit card or take a home or vehicle loan, you are essentially 'leveraging' your ability to generate future cash flows in order to pay for an asset right now.
The bet that the Glazers took were:
1. Premier league would get more cash through TV deals and Sponsorship.
2. SAF would maintain sustained success on relatively lesser funding. Prize money would be greater than cost of playing.
3. Utd would be able to attract sponsorship over and above its rivals due to its success.
All 3 came true and that to me makes them excellent businessmen.
By allowing SAF to run the team as he pleased (spending on wingers at the cost of midfielders, spending 20 mil on a 30 year old striker, etc.) they moved from being good businessmen to being good owners.
Also, Manchester United have the 3rd highest Profit before Tax even after accounting for interest and loans payable.
The loans are all under control. There is a schedule according to which it has to be payed.

The Arabs are betting on the fact that:
1. Oil prices will remain high (oil prices have collapsed by over 50% since January 2014).
2. Their regime won't collapse (There was an unsuccessful Arab spring, people remain dissatisfied).
3. They can use their influence to inflate Sponsorship deals.
4. Even if points 1, 2 and 3 turn out to be wrong bets then by that time City would have been sustainable.
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You should be banned for calling our owner The Arabs
 
Wow!!!

LVG kicking ass in that press conference but the media have their knives out for him. They want their Giggsy in with Pep in the summer.
 
Usual raggy know nowt, comes on all 'fair and friendly' then starts spouting inaccurate shit then turns arsey and racist.

God bless America and plastic fans (with apologises to any USA blues).

Type rag cafe into Google and wipe someone's fanny over there.
 
mat said:
Wow!!!

LVG kicking ass in that press conference but the media have their knives out for him. They want their Giggsy in with Pep in the summer.
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Most Rags want Giggs. They have been brainwashed by the 'Class of '92' propaganda. Their arrogance will be their own downfall.
I repeat that I think that Jose is off to Real Madrid. Not sure the Glasers want to pay his wages. Neither will they want to pay Pep's on the wildly remote chance that he wants to ruin his career at the Mad House of Fergie.
 
mufc1988 said:
Yes ... but what got your new supporters attracted to you in the first place?
Was it because City are a 'working man's club' or was it having 5 years of sustained success?
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It was because we're not a bunch of hypocritical cunts like you lot.
We have garnered supporters worldwide over many years despite our lack of success and because we have a character that is beyond mere success, ..and yes, many just because we are not united.
 
coleridge said:
Most Rags want Giggs. They have been brainwashed by the 'Class of '92' propaganda. Their arrogance will be their own downfall.
I repeat that I think that Jose is off to Real Madrid. Not sure the Glasers want to pay his wages. Neither will they want to pay Pep's on the wildly remote chance that he wants to ruin his career at the Mad House of Fergie.
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Family man and Butt as the first wave of class of 92, followed by the chuckle bothers and then for shits n giggles give it Becks and Savage as the third wave... thats the dream
 
Just watched the 3 question news conference - he's like a bully whose just been found out and is having to explain his actions - short of a trembling bottom lip to match his embarassed red cheeks that was perfect. I think.

I think he's gone before the years out - Save our Louis!!!!
 
mufc1988 said:
I would rather have my club run as a business than a charity.
A business oriented mentality will lead to sustainable systems and prudent decision making.
I have no problems if owners extract dividends outside of clubs or companies as long as they meet their targets.

On the other hand, there is a credible argument that many of City's commercial deals have come because of companies trying to keep your influential owners happy rather than a market-oriented rationale. If there is an Arab Spring (not unthinkable) and the regime changes, it would be interesting to see how that plays out at City.

As of now, United are a 'safer' asset.
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Did you not stop to consider that your mob are in hock to the banks. Due to the financial whims of those institutions what would you say if they suddenly called in the monies due. Furthermore they might even be Arab run banks so given your scenario of an Arab Spring they might need to monetise the outstanding debt, where would that leave your well run club?
 
Just seen a page from The Sun pop up on Facebook,says..

"Jose Mourinho's first move as Man United manager would be to sign Wesley Sneijder"
 
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