United Thread 2015/16

[Mikejl]

Im going to hell for this but fair fucks to the man for telling the snakes straight.

Same here, cockroaches in the press should be treated like this at every turn

 

[sir baconface]

Why is it that every time we have some stray plastic rag on here with fcuk all in their kit-bag, we get zillions of posters imitating mackerel throwing themselves on the feathers?

 

[SWP's back]

I didn't use it as an offensive term. Its like calling our owners Americans.

No, that would be like calling your owners 'whites' or 'Caucasians' or better yet "Jews"

They are Emirati's. They are from the United Arab Emirates.

Read a book for fucks sake you toss pot. And explain to me how you thought there was dissatisfaction in the UAE or a failed Arab Spring.

 

[2sheikhs]

Mufc 1988, if as you say, you study the financial side of things, think about this.
I'm not denying that manyoo is a large, global player in the market. That can be a detriment as much as it can be an advantage. Things happen quickly and decisively when there is a lot of money at stake. When the glazers started buying up shares, they hit a certain percentage, meaning that they had to launch an official takeover. There is a tipping point in matters like this, whether buying or selling.
If your club continue with the mediocrity currently being displayed, they're appeal as an investment becomes less and less attractive. Combine this with throwing good money after bad pushes you closer to the downward tipping point.
Look how quickly the chain of events occurred with the recent credit crunch. One major outfit in America got cold feet and decided to call on its debts and the knock on effects were catastrophic. Once a few significant investors in your club decide that they'd rather put their money elsewhere, the whole pack of cards will fall.
That's how perilous your situation is.
If you don't appoint the right man next, I believe you'll reach your tipping point.

 

[Easy]

Hopefully LVG stays on till the end of the season and United don't get top four again. Maybe then the rags will realize that Manchester is and will always be BLUE.

 

[dave_blue12]

mufc1988 reinforcing the stereotype ...............


......that all United fans are as thick as pigshit !

 

[mufc1988]

The press conference given by LVG was counter-productive.
The media narrative will be about how LVG is under pressure and has started to 'crack'.
Either this is a genius way to create siege mentality or this is a serious lack of judgement by the Utd management.
Results over the next few weeks will determine that.

A major issue for me was his "discussions" with SAF and the rest of the management.
What was discussed?
Why mention this if you are not going to disclose what was said.
Endless speculation will continue.

I'm surprised that such an experienced manager doesn't realize that you need the media on your side.

 

[cleavers]

Got it.

Reading your posts, I don't think you have "got it" at all, in fact you are a long way off getting it, but hey ho.

ADUG are interested in dealing for Abu Dhabi through Manchester City (well CFG), so they're doing it at government level. You say City's ownership risk is "high", and this shows just how out of touch with what CFG, ADUG, and City are actually doing, the "high risk" was 2008-2010/11, when we had to throw stupid money at it, getting mercenaries to come and join in. Since then we have consolidated into a well run financial organisation, despite UEFA, and your former sidekick Gill in particular, trying to stop us, but failing miserably.

United fans can carry on burying their heads in the sand as long as they want as fas as I'm concerned, the football business has moved on from when you dominated the transfer markets, it now requires long term planning. What is going on at City isn't high risk, its isn't just about football any more, or even entertainment, and its not complete, not even nearly. Their aim is to dominate football (not something I particularly aspire to, as when you did it, football seemed f**ked to me, similar to when liverpool did it, I prefer good competition personally), but they are just as interested in dominating global finances and business, and they are using CFG, and City, as a vehicle to achieve that goal.

ADUG work at government level, whilst all other football clubs are working at football level, one day that difference will dawn on you, and the media that feeds you.

 

[manimanc]

Explain why, please.

Explain what pal?

 

[big phil]

If you have really been following City's rise and HRH Sheikh Mansour since the takeover, you will be aware of the fact that he made approximately £2 billion ($3 billion) by buying Barclays Bank shares at the height of the recession and selling them a few years later.

Ànd it should be added Vienna, that barclays approached HRH (not the other way round) so they didn't have to go cap in hand to the government.

 

[mufc1988]

Mufc 1988, if as you say, you study the financial side of things, think about this.
I'm not denying that manyoo is a large, global player in the market. That can be a detriment as much as it can be an advantage. Things happen quickly and decisively when there is a lot of money at stake. When the glazers started buying up shares, they hit a certain percentage, meaning that they had to launch an official takeover. There is a tipping point in matters like this, whether buying or selling.
If your club continue with the mediocrity currently being displayed, they're appeal as an investment becomes less and less attractive. Combine this with throwing good money after bad pushes you closer to the downward tipping point.
Look how quickly the chain of events occurred with the recent credit crunch. One major outfit in America got cold feet and decided to call on its debts and the knock on effects were catastrophic. Once a few significant investors in your club decide that they'd rather put their money elsewhere, the whole pack of cards will fall.
That's how perilous your situation is.
If you don't appoint the right man next, I believe you'll reach your tipping point.

Yes we can't afford to be mid-table any longer. Which is why I think LVG should go only when 3rd is mathematically impossible.
Transfers will always be a crapshoot. Who would have guessed that Di Maria would play so bad? Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?
The safest thing to do is to invest in under-23 players. If they make it then good, if not the transfer fees required to cover up losses will be lower.

I don't think your views on 'calling' debt during the credit crisis is fully accurate.
My understanding is that some investors were concerned (rightfully) about the sustainability of receiving cash flows from Collateralized Debt Obligations. The ratings agencies acted in collaboration with banks to underplay the risks associated with certain debts. That's when stocks were sold, housing market collapsed, payments on those debts vanished and everything came tumbling.
It was NOT the banks that called in money, it was a very high number of common people who started extracting money from the banks because they were afraid of their savings dissappearing.
That's what further destroyed some of these banks.

Our situation is not perilous because we have to pay our loans according to a schedule. Banks can't call-in money unless there is a pre-agreement ( I am not aware of any!).
Banks make money off charging interest. In fact there is a penalty for early-repayment of loans because more outstanding debt means more interest to be payed.

 

[SWP's back]

Ermm, this failed Arab Spring thing....?

 

[lloydie]

Honestly, I think you are exaggerating.
Your 'global' supporters prior to current success were probably British expats whose children may have followed the tradition.
The vast amount of your new fan base has come because of its success.

Why are you in denial about it?
Its perfectly fine to gain fans that way.

Never said there was anything wrong with gaining new fans through success, only that it's not the only way,

Denial?, pfft, piss right off you know nowt nomark.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/why-are-you-a-city-fan.316617/

Oops just spotted you're a lady, my apologies for not understanding where you're coming from.

 

[ccr]

Do united need investors ? I thought all their money came through the turnstiles ?

 

[cleavers]

Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?

Again, clueless, he wasn't a "terrible player" at all, at first he was very good, but he faded in the second season, and was sold on, but his usefulness to City can't be denied, he was here to propel our name, and help sell us to others, he did that job.

I've no idea why you are here, you appear to know nothing about our club, or the group that owns us, or what their intentions are, I even wonder how much you actually know about mufc, but having seen where you originate, we're probably wasting our time even discussing our club with you.

 

[roj]

Where are you from, mate? In Britain we have a fable about a hare and tortoise but I see you have pictured a pheasant.

'Ryan Giggs is a cock'... Bit ambiguous I s'pose. Manchester :)

 

[mat]

I didn't understand what you meant.
I am tracking City because in a space of 5 years, they have gone from regional-level to global-level.
I have never seen such a thing before so hence why I look at funding/strategy/etc.

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a bitch my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

 

[Vienna_70]

Yes we can't afford to be mid-table any longer. Which is why I think LVG should go only when 3rd is mathematically impossible.
Transfers will always be a crapshoot. Who would have guessed that Di Maria would play so bad? Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?
The safest thing to do is to invest in under-23 players. If they make it then good, if not the transfer fees required to cover up losses will be lower.

I don't think your views on 'calling' debt during the credit crisis is fully accurate.
My understanding is that some investors were concerned (rightfully) about the sustainability of receiving cash flows from Collateralized Debt Obligations. The ratings agencies acted in collaboration with banks to underplay the risks associated with certain debts. That's when stocks were sold, housing market collapsed, payments on those debts vanished and everything came tumbling.
It was NOT the banks that called in money, it was a very high number of common people who started extracting money from the banks because they were afraid of their savings dissappearing.
That's what further destroyed some of these banks.

Our situation is not perilous because we have to pay our loans according to a schedule. Banks can't call-in money unless there is a pre-agreement ( I am not aware of any!).
Banks make money off charging interest. In fact there is a penalty for early-repayment of loans because more outstanding debt means more interest to be payed.

Di Maria's time at the swamp made Robinho look as successful as Ronaldo at Real Madrid in comparison.

 

[pete1970]

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a bitch my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

Thats the best post ive read for a while
Well said fellow blue

 

[mufc1988]

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a bitch my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

I think you are taking the whole rivalry a bit too seriously. There is more to life than football.
Also there is an irony in your last paragraph. I'll let you figure that out.