£4million given towards settling migrants in Manchester

And you are in no position to think what I can or can not say. My comments regarding the op still stand, I hate the bam em all, send em back brigade. Regarding drug dealers, phone the cops.

You're twisting my melon man.

As I suspected, with a little bit of digging I've gathered that the OP is a decent enough person - as evidenced by multiple BM meet ups - whereas you just come across as a complete and utter twat. As evidenced by your behaviour at West Brom away at the start of the season.
 
You're twisting my melon man.

As I suspected, with a little bit of digging I've gathered that the OP is a decent enough person - as evidenced by multiple BM meet ups - whereas you just come across as a complete and utter twat. As evidenced by your behaviour at West Brom away at the start of the season.
What happened at West Brom away?
 
Presumably the OP would have displayed the same attitude towards German Jews during the 1930s.

False equivalence and a strawman, nice.

Jews were fleeing a targeted ethnic genocide in during the 1930s and 40s, the same is not true of the overwhelming majority of these migrants/refugees.

Also, Jews actually integrate into their host countries, they were actually very well integrated into German society prior to the holocaust. Didn't stop Hitler and chums scapegoating them for Germany's defeat in the First World War.

Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East on the contrary have proven themselves often directly resistant to assimilation and integration into their host countries, as is evident in major cities across the EU.

This is a cause of concern for many Europeans as it brings many social issues with it.

There's also the unprecedented mass sexual assault and rapes that the recent mass immigration from these regions has brought several EU countries.

This concerns people, it's a real issue.

Hope this helps.
 
We have sick disabled and homeless being neglected, people desperate for housing, a health service that cannot cope, Gps surgeries cannot cope, we have the worst cancer treatment in the EU, and the list goes on.

As tragic as kids being washed up on Turkish beaches is, there are numerous reasons why we cannot and should not be bringing all these people to the Uk but regardless the fact is we are full....

What is happening in Europe right now is insanity and will result in carnage if it continues.....and its no good all the lefties and bleeding hearts screaming racism islamphobia or any other utter bollocks that they trot out. Nor rambling on about a diverse multi-cultural society, we already have a perfectly good one of those that is on the verge of being ruined. Its not just some right wing extremists who are saying this...its black, white, oriental and even Asian communities in this country saying it.
If this is the case then we need to be prepared to invest 10's of billions in solving the problems in the Middle East and meeting the consequences we caused. This will cost a lot more than immigration a lot more but is probably a better solution in many ways - are the righteous of the right prepared to accept the hit to their standard of living though.

As for being full what about Jordan and Lebanon who have taken the population equivalent of Britain accepting 30 million and the economic equivalent way beyond that.

When it comes to benefits and the poor the right always lecture about personal responsibility whilst trying to avoid it at all costs when it comes to our responsibilities as a nation?
 
The sooner people learn to accept mass imigration as a fact of the modern world in a European nation, the better. Short of WW3 breaking out, it is an unstoppable force, due to demographics and technology. It simply cannot (and won't) be stopped.
So
If we as Europeans accept that everyone is entitled to come here to live, everything will be nice and ok.
 
If this is the case then we need to be prepared to invest 10's of billions in solving the problems in the Middle East and meeting the consequences we caused. This will cost a lot more than immigration a lot more but is probably a better solution in many ways - are the righteous of the right prepared to accept the hit to their standard of living though.

As for being full what about Jordan and Lebanon who have taken the population equivalent of Britain accepting 30 million and the economic equivalent way beyond that.

When it comes to benefits and the poor the right always lecture about personal responsibility whilst trying to avoid it at all costs when it comes to our responsibilities as a nation?

Sorry this "we caused it" nonsense needs binning once and for all, time these places sorted themselves out, with some assistance from the UN or other international bodies, at the end of the day what happens in the future is what needs to be focussed on and currently we are maybe one generation away from Europe and the UK ending up not too different than the places these people come from.

I agree with you about the Tory right toff brigade, whom are a pestilence upon the country.
 
Mass migration always causes the falls of civilisations, happened to the majority of mediterranean city states at the end of the Bronze Age with the "sea people's" arriving and attacking, Romans with the Goths which led to the dark ages, this was down mainly to mass migration of displaced peoples escaping poor conditions in Northern Europe. The Turks arrived in Anatolia initially as mercenaries before they conquered much of it which eventually led to the collapse of the Eastern Roman Empire with the conquest of Constantinople in 1453. This will happen with us and it's scary. And people bury their head in the sand and ignore it.
 
Sorry this "we caused it" nonsense needs binning once and for all, time these places sorted themselves out, with some assistance from the UN or other international bodies, at the end of the day what happens in the future is what needs to be focussed on and currently we are maybe one generation away from Europe and the UK ending up not too different than the places these people come from.

I agree with you about the Tory right toff brigade, whom are a pestilence upon the country.
That is the attitude so that honestly is the problem with the world.

The attitude that says we can bring down governments, arm rebels , support despots, bomb infrastructures , move millions from their homes , write countries constitutions, put minority religions governing , benefit from the oil, create artificial countries , when we fuck things up completely we just walk away and leave it to them.

It is utterly contemptible when either individuals or nations behave like this.

I firmly believe you reap what you sew and if you make decisions in life as either a nation or an individual you hold responsibility for dealing with the consequences.

To fuck things up like we have and then to walk away as civilians are massacred would be beyond words ....

If the world ends up a mess because it ends up the same it will be because of the pursuit of wealth, the pursuit of colonisation etc not because of refugees.

Why is there so much extremism in Sunni Islam ? In the main because a Saudi government we propped up kept its population quiet and kept Revolution agains obscene wealth in check by using heavy investment in religion as a tool. Why did we prop them up, because it protected our industry and oil supply, we were happy to support millitant Islam if it made us rich. We made that call now we have to live with it.

If we are prepared to do things properly and spend the money and take responsibility we may avoid what you ton about, if we want to continue to do things cheaply and to take easy decisions then things will get worse.
 
That is the attitude so that honestly is the problem with the world.

The attitude that says we can bring down governments, arm rebels , support despots, bomb infrastructures , move millions from their homes , write countries constitutions, put minority religions governing , benefit from the oil, create artificial countries , when we fuck things up completely we just walk away and leave it to them.

It is utterly contemptible when either individuals or nations behave like this.

I firmly believe you reap what you sew and if you make decisions in life as either a nation or an individual you hold responsibility for dealing with the consequences.

To fuck things up like we have and then to walk away as civilians are massacred would be beyond words ....

If the world ends up a mess because it ends up the same it will be because of the pursuit of wealth, the pursuit of colonisation etc not because of refugees.

Why is there so much extremism in Sunni Islam ? In the main because a Saudi government we propped up kept its population quiet and kept Revolution agains obscene wealth in check by using heavy investment in religion as a tool. Why did we prop them up, because it protected our industry and oil supply, we were happy to support millitant Islam if it made us rich. We made that call now we have to live with it.

If we are prepared to do things properly and spend the money and take responsibility we may avoid what you ton about, if we want to continue to do things cheaply and to take easy decisions then things will get worse.

When you say we...to whom do you refer?
 
Mass migration always causes the falls of civilisations, happened to the majority of mediterranean city states at the end of the Bronze Age with the "sea people's" arriving and attacking, Romans with the Goths which led to the dark ages, this was down mainly to mass migration of displaced peoples escaping poor conditions in Northern Europe. The Turks arrived in Anatolia initially as mercenaries before they conquered much of it which eventually led to the collapse of the Eastern Roman Empire with the conquest of Constantinople in 1453. This will happen with us and it's scary. And people bury their head in the sand and ignore it.

There are elements in politics who only become powerful and wealthy by running on fear it has happened for milleni. When I was a kid we were always minutes from being run over by communists, there were reds under the beds, other parts of the world faces the yellow peril, before that in history it was mad Nordics, savage Spaniards, swarthy Catholics or goose stepping Germans. As a kid the Irish coming to Nritain were going. To destroy us or West Indians who we were told by the far right were all mugging crack heads who were going to destroy our way of life. Who spread the fear - powerful people who liked

This will always be the case, there will always be people whose life is ruled by fear, there will always be people who say that if you start believing in terrible things like the word being round it will end.

It won't of course because it doesn't , problems come to a head we deal with them and move on.

wars will nearly always be about resources and the rich and powerful protecting their position but they will always be blamed on politics, race or religion or anything to deflect from the fact all over the world a very small % hold the wealth and power leaving the majority of the world's population in poverty
 
The sooner people learn to accept mass imigration as a fact of the modern world in a European nation, the better. Short of WW3 breaking out, it is an unstoppable force, due to demographics and technology. It simply cannot (and won't) be stopped.
It is an inevitability of the society we have created and the obsession with wealth and economic growth above all. The box is open and it cannot ever be shut again.
 
When you say we...to whom do you refer?
In this case we as in the UK (and its western allies though Cleary we were more an apprentice to the US)

But it's fair to say that from creating the artificial nations in the Middle East (I mean far more than just Israel) , drafting constitutions, bringing down governments and trying to bring down others, supporting Saudi and the Shah etc we (UK) have generally been part of it. As a joint Australian/UK citizen I accept that we includes Australia too but to a lesser extent.
 

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