£4million given towards settling migrants in Manchester

M18CTID said:
Regardless of what the OP said, I don't think you're in any position to sarcastically call someone out as nice on this forum, given your previous record for unwarranted vitriolic attacks on numerous posters.

Oh, and there have been both positive and negative impacts of immigration in Gorton - it isn't all hunky dory as anyone that walks through King George V park on a regular basis will testify. Unless you think the gangs of Eastern European drug dealers that hang around there in full view of kids is a good thing of course.
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Positive impact of immigration in Gorton lmao its now a Fucking dump.
 
karen7 said:
3 more syrian children have drowned today,let the kids and mothers in and look at the men properly before letting them in
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What do you look at? Do you think Assad has passed on his criminal records? Do you think that you can get them to do a multiple choice and they will answer in a way you can pick out or do you think the right wing governments in Europe who don't even want to fund medical services for their own populations will pay for proper psychological in depth review?

Either you say "Fuck em I really don't care if they die that's their problem not mine" or you take them in do the right thing and try and minimise any risk of the social effects or worse by investing properly in their integration and in society?

There isn't an easy middle ground here
 
If the homeless had proper programs to train them and get them off drugs with real conviction i feel this would work.

Non of this half arsed shit, house them in a housing block or area with onsite trainers living close to them, train them without the worry of if they have a roof over their head the next night. That is a great start to helping the drug issue, i know it because i have seen it.
Some will fall away with all the help in the world and for them meh sort yourself out.

I am totally confident this could work.
It just always seems to be half arsed pilot schemes all the time that never get going properly to be evaluated properly.

It may seem simplistic but this 100 odd million we chuck into Europe each day could easily fund such a nationwide scheme, easily.
Not meaning to bring this to a europe debate but i think my pov is reasonable.
 
TCIB said:
If the homeless had proper programs to train them and get them off drugs with real conviction i feel this would work.

Non of this half arsed shit, house them in a housing block or area with onsite trainers living close to them, train them without the worry of if they have a roof over their head the next night. That is a great start to helping the drug issue, i know it because i have seen it.
Some will fall away with all the help in the world and for them meh sort yourself out.

I am totally confident this could work.
It just always seems to be half arsed pilot schemes all the time that never get going properly to be evaluated properly.

It may seem simplistic but this 100 odd million we chuck into Europe each day could easily fund such a nationwide scheme, easily.
Not meaning to bring this to a europe debate but i think my pov is reasonable.
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I won't agree with you on the Europe part that 100m will just go on a whole series of new things that would have to be done or on getting British people to do what the European do as well as going through the re tape of all the new immigration , visa etc nonsense.

But where I would agree is if we invested in the underclass be that homeless, the Jeremy Kyle watching stereotype or refugees. If we did things properly instead of just cheaply to appease the Right wing and nasty in society then we could make a huge difference.

I would love to see tax loopholes closed, and a genuine agenda put forward to invest in the young and in our future and to try and make being in the underclass something that was chosen and not forced on people just from their own backgrounds.

I think it is bang on that if you do everything on the cheap it will frequently turn out badly

It's the story of society - benefits are far cheaper than actually trying to train people and solve social issues.

It's why I despise the right wing attacks on people on benefits, we put them there because it's cheap and then kick them when their down. Same with refugees we start the war, destroy their homes and then am say rather than help them they should go back and fight the enemy we created
 
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EalingBlue2 said:
What do you look at? Do you think Assad has passed on his criminal records? Do you think that you can get them to do a multiple choice and they will answer in a way you can pick out or do you think the right wing governments in Europe who don't even want to fund medical services for their own populations will pay for proper psychological in depth review?

Either you say "Fuck em I really don't care if they die that's their problem not mine" or you take them in do the right thing and try and minimise any risk of the social effects or worse by investing properly in their integration and in society?

There isn't an easy middle ground here
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There isn't an easy answer,i want in the first instance to stop kids drowning,3 more yesterday,they need their mums to be with them they can't come in on their own,thats what i meant
 
karen7 said:
There isn't an easy answer,i want in the first instance to stop kids drowning,3 more yesterday,they need their mums to be with them they can't come in on their own,thats what i meant
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The Middle East has been screwed up beyond belief by themselves and the rest of the world. Every day the solutions get harder and more expensive and the solution is further away.
 
M18CTID said:
Regardless of what the OP said, I don't think you're in any position to sarcastically call someone out as nice on this forum, given your previous record for unwarranted vitriolic attacks on numerous posters.

Oh, and there have been both positive and negative impacts of immigration in Gorton - it isn't all hunky dory as anyone that walks through King George V park on a regular basis will testify. Unless you think the gangs of Eastern European drug dealers that hang around there in full view of kids is a good thing of course.
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And you are in no position to think what I can or can not say. My comments regarding the op still stand, I hate the bam em all, send em back brigade. Regarding drug dealers, phone the cops.
 
BlueBearBoots said:
ok I'm a bit shocked this isn't a thread already


Why isn't this money being spent on homeless people already in the city? What about people already on social housing waiting lists? Are the migrants going to leapfrog them?

Does anyone care?
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I suspect that it all depends on where the funding is coming from - of course there are home grown problems however if they are for example funded via the Home Office and the resettlement of migrants is funded by the Foreign Office and the money is from the F.O. then of course its ring fenced for that purpose.

The real question should be if the Govt can find the money through that pipeline to encourage the resettlement of migrants then why can't they find the funding through the other pipeline to properly address existing issues? That of course is not a sensationalist enough headline for the press I suppose.

oh and p.s.

are any being resettled in Knightsbridge, Kensington, Chelsea, Oxford, Cheltenham and so on?
 
bluethrunthru said:
I suspect that it all depends on where the funding is coming from - of course there are home grown problems however if they are for example funded via the Home Office and the resettlement of migrants is funded by the Foreign Office and the money is from the F.O. then of course its ring fenced for that purpose.

The real question should be if the Govt can find the money through that pipeline to encourage the resettlement of migrants then why can't they find the funding through the other pipeline to properly address existing issues? That of course is not a sensationalist enough headline for the press I suppose.

oh and p.s.

are any being resettled in Knightsbridge, Kensington, Chelsea, Oxford, Cheltenham and so on?
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All fair points.
 
TCIB said:
If the homeless had proper programs to train them and get them off drugs with real conviction i feel this would work.

Non of this half arsed shit, house them in a housing block or area with onsite trainers living close to them, train them without the worry of if they have a roof over their head the next night. That is a great start to helping the drug issue, i know it because i have seen it.
Some will fall away with all the help in the world and for them meh sort yourself out.

I am totally confident this could work.
It just always seems to be half arsed pilot schemes all the time that never get going properly to be evaluated properly.

It may seem simplistic but this 100 odd million we chuck into Europe each day could easily fund such a nationwide scheme, easily.
Not meaning to bring this to a europe debate but i think my pov is reasonable.
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Sadly as is often the case with these things you can substitute the words half arsed with cheap. Most ministers know what is needed to fulfill their brief - however they settle for what they can do with the money they are prepared to spend to make it look like they are doing something for the 8 - 10 months they are in post before being moved on. I seem to recall during the last Parliament some ministers were gloating that they were able to refund some of their budgets to the treasury to help tackle deficit reduction.

All I can say to that is
a/ I am so glad its all "fixed" now - O.P. must be imagining the homeless in Manchester - those guys I saw at the bottom end of Oxford Road yesterday were a mirage - note to self stop hallucinating
and
b/ thanks to them paying that money back the deficit has gone and we can all look forward to our income tax rates being halved in the next budget.
 
totallywired said:
I don' t remember using the word 'amazing'. It has the same problems as all inner city areas, but immigration has worsening the area IMO.
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The one determining factor in whether places all over the world is the relative poverty of the area. Always has been always will be , the fact is that poverty often has a correlation with immigration and therefore there is some truth in high immigration not always being to the nicest suburbs. Amazingly enough people with very little head to the cheapest areas and governments who want to spend very little offer roofs in the cheapest areas.

I live in an extremely high immigrant suburb in Australia but it is a wealthy suburb and it's a good place to live , in sydney many of the best and worst suburbs are high immigrant (though everywhere is high immigrant) In the main the nature is driven by whether they/we came here fleeing with nothing as a group, or came with something
 
We have sick disabled and homeless being neglected, people desperate for housing, a health service that cannot cope, Gps surgeries cannot cope, we have the worst cancer treatment in the EU, and the list goes on.

As tragic as kids being washed up on Turkish beaches is, there are numerous reasons why we cannot and should not be bringing all these people to the Uk but regardless the fact is we are full....

What is happening in Europe right now is insanity and will result in carnage if it continues.....and its no good all the lefties and bleeding hearts screaming racism islamphobia or any other utter bollocks that they trot out. Nor rambling on about a diverse multi-cultural society, we already have a perfectly good one of those that is on the verge of being ruined. Its not just some right wing extremists who are saying this...its black, white, oriental and even Asian communities in this country saying it.
 
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