Is our defence falsely ridiculed? (Probably Not)

I think you are utterly useless at anything but the most mundane level of thinking & thus have no understanding of anything anybody says unless it is spelled out for you, which I can't be arsed doing as you are not worth it & are even crap in your attempts at being insulting.


I've managed to understand this thread though.

I must confess though, I am happy to concede that I know a little less about everything than the great Neville Kneville.

My inferior knowledge of youth development, tactics, player recruitment, player conditioning amongst other things makes me far inferior to your good self.

Then again, you do know more about youth development than the expert coaches we employ.
You do know more about the conditioning of our players than the manager and the medic staff.
Your knowledge of the transfer market is far greater than that of Txiki.
Not to mention how much better you'd be at selecting an xi and managing a team than a highly experienced and respected coach.

I'm actually glad you think I'm "utterly useless".

Afterall it was you that told me I knew nothing when I suggested I thought Sane was head and shoulders above anyone on the field when Schalke played our EDS. But nope, Neville knew more. Barker was far better screamed Neville.

I'm happy to know less than you, it puts me in a bracket with Pellegrini, Txiki, Viera, Holohan et al.
 
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There seem to be a few others on this thread talking about our defence rather than how the media talk about arsenal and united's defence. You'd better give them a bollocking and tell them what they should really be discussing.


Not 'bollocked' anyone. Just commented on the actual thread.

Again, do you think it's fair to describe 3 near identical stats in 3 vastly different ways? That is the crux of the op's point.

Our defending attracts far harsher critisisium than other defences of similar or identical statistical performance. Agree or disagree?
 
It is ridiculed because of the simple mistakes that happen every week.
More possession means less exposure to let goals in. But constant mistakes and bad positioning cost us
 
I've managed to understand this thread though.

I must confess though, I am happy to concede that I know a little less about everything than the great Neville Kneville.

My inferior knowledge of youth development, tactics, player recruitment, player conditioning amongst other things makes me far inferior to your good self.

Then again, you do know more about youth development than the expert coaches we employ.
You do know more about the conditioning of our players than the manager and the medic staff.
Your knowledge of the transfer market is far greater than that of Txiki.
Not to mention how much better you'd be at selecting an xi and managing a team than a highly experienced and respected coach.

I'm actually glad you think I'm "utterly useless".

Afterall it was you that told me I knew nothing when I suggested I thought Sane was head and shoulders above anyone on the field when Schalke played our EDS. But nope, Neville knew more. Barker was far better screamed Neville.

I'm happy to know less than you, it puts me in a bracket with Pellegrini, Txiki, Viera, Holohan et al.

So you knew more then & were the expert, instead ?

I didn't actually say that at all about Barker 'on the day' and am not saying it even now, it's there in the forum for anyone to see as proof, & it's another example of you completely failling to understand what people are talking about & why things need to be put in black & white for you to understand them, as any kind of lateral thinking leaves you dumbfounded & you have to put it in a box.

Is it just me who is not allowed to have an opinion on Pellegrini's team selections, or conditioning of players or selection of young players etc or is it the whole forum ?

I suppose whatever you have an opinion is ok though ?
 
So you knew more then & were the expert, instead ?

I didn't actually say that at all about Barker 'on the day' and am not saying it even now, it's there in the forum for anyone to see as proof, & it's another example of you completely failling to understand what people are talking about & why things need to be put in black & white for you to understand them, as any kind of lateral thinking leaves you dumbfounded & you have to put it in a box.

Is it just me who is not allowed to have an opinion on Pellegrini's team selections, or conditioning of players or selection of young players etc or is it the whole forum ?

I suppose whatever you have an opinion is ok though ?


No, I valued my opinion more than yours and still do. I thought Sane was the outstanding player that day. The only person I've claimed to know more than is you. Never claimed to be an 'expert' just said I thought Sane was the stand out player that day. You disagreed. Much like you disagreed when I said I felt Garcia is better suited to our first team. I even gave reasons. Again you disagreed and rather than back those reasons up, you just got all sweary like you always do.

My lateral thinking? This is a joke right? You have the most immature and basic debating skills. You voice your opinion, people disagree, you get all shouty, sweary and insulting. I've tried to highlight my point regarding this specific topic in black and white it obviously escapes you. Here's a fine example of Neville in action.


"No need to thank me, but it's my pleasure.

I'll even add to your education this afternoon - if you post dramatic nonsense, be prepared for a response that you may not like.

Though I did like your decision to try and enforce your 'point', to reference signings we made under different economic times at the club under a different Director of Football and a different Manager.

I agree though. Maybe all the top clubs are wrong, including City. In fact, even City's academy staff that have watched and worked with him every day of his career at City are wrong too. You're right though, and Reading.

Utterly dreadful news." BM user

Your response,

No, all the top clubs aren't 'wrong' there's a decent chance George won't be good enough for top flight football. If I had to guess, I'd say that is probably the case. But they DON'T KNOW.
And neither do you.Just some, like you, are full of shit & pretend to have extra powers the rest of us don't.

He is not some fucking mug, who would fall over his own feet if given a job to do off the bench in the first team. He has proven his competence playing 'man' football.


He has done enough to have been given an opportunity to make it AT CITY. If he had been tested then failed, he could move on & instead of FUCK ALL we would get decent money for him, like the rags do with their kids who can't hold down a first team spot. This is how most teams do it, even the top ones."

This is the point, he obviously hasn't done enough, not in the eyes of the experts employed to make these calls. You are shouting like its fact that he's done enough. Mate, he hasn't, that's why he's gone. Iheanacho has done enough, Garcia has done enough. Evans, obviously hasn't, not my opinion. It's the experts who know and work with him every day.



This topic has nothing to do with Pellegrini, players or tactics.

As I've repeatedly asked, yet you've failed to respond, as well it nullifies your entire arguement.

If three teams have near identical records defensively, yet only one team is ridiculed is that fair? To take three equal parties and treat one completely different, judge them on a totally different scale is, as the op asks, the very definition of unfair. This is not my opinion it's fact.

I'd leave the insults out, as they're pretty embarassing especially considering your 'arguements'.
 
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No, I valued my opinion more than yours and still do. I thought Sane was the outstanding player that day. The only person I've claimed to know more than is you. Never claimed to be an 'expert' just said I thought Sane was the stand out player that day. You disagreed. Much like you disagreed when I said I felt Garcia is better suited to our first team. I even gave reasons. Again you disagreed and rather than back those reasons up, you just got all sweary like you always do.

My lateral thinking? This is a joke right? You have the most immature a basic debating skills. You voice your opinion, people disagree, you get all shouty, sweary and insulting. I've tried to highlight my point regarding this specific topic in black and white it obviously escapes you. Here's a fine example of Neville in action.


"No need to thank me, but it's my pleasure.

I'll even add to your education this afternoon - if you post dramatic nonsense, be prepared for a response that you may not like.

Though I did like your decision to try and enforce your 'point', to reference signings we made under different economic times at the club under a different Director of Football and a different Manager.

I agree though. Maybe all the top clubs are wrong, including City. In fact, even City's academy staff that have watched and worked with him every day of his career at City are wrong too. You're right though, and Reading.

Utterly dreadful news.
No, all the top clubs aren't 'wrong' there's a decent chance George won't be good enough for top flight football. If I had to guess, I'd say that is probably the case. But they DON'T KNOW.
And neither do you.Just some, like you, are full of shit & pretend to have extra powers the rest of us don't.

He is not some fucking mug, who would fall over his own feet if given a job to do off the bench in the first team. He has proven his competence playing 'man' football.


He has done enough to have been given an opportunity to make it AT CITY. If he had been tested then failed, he could move on & instead of FUCK ALL we would get decent money for him, like the rags do with their kids who can't hold down a first team spot. This is how most teams do it, even the top ones.

He has done everything asked of him, raised his game, worked hard, improved year on year & shown a willingness to want to improve, he's physically strong, intelligent, skillful, hard working, great passer, good tackler, shot like a hammer & is now adding goals to his game. His reward, is no games & a free transfer, without us finding out if he could be better & save us a fortune & be a 'club trained' player in the Champions League squad. This is piss poor planning, & imo is an absolute fucking shitter & dreadful news, whether he makes it or not elsewhere.



This topic has nothing to do with Pellegrini, players or tactics.

As I've repeatedly asked, yet you've failed to respond, as well it nullifies your entire arguement.

If three teams have near identical records defensively, yet only one team is ridiculed is that fair?


There is pretty much nothing wrong with the post you have quoted. I stand by it re George Evans, which has nothing to do with this thread. See how you are now hijacking this thread in order to have a go at me, after preaching to others about staying on topic ? Nothing to do with the o.p. is it ? Lost it haven't you ?

If you read what i posted re Sane, you will find that is completely different too.

The censors banned me for a slight swearword connected with you last time you did this, so I'm not rising to it, as they will probably back you again.

I think you have something wrong with you.
 
There is pretty much nothing wrong with the post you have quoted. I stand by it re George Evans, which has nothing to do with this thread. See how you are now hijacking this thread in order to have a go at me, after preaching to others about staying on topic ? Nothing to do with the o.p. is it ? Lost it haven't you ?

If you read what i posted re Sane, you will find that is completely different too.

The censors banned me for a slight swearword connected with you last time you did this, so I'm not rising to it, as they will probably back you again.

I think you have something wrong with you.


Just goes to prove my point, you get all sweary when you are argueing beyond your level.

I highlight your arguement style as it's clearly evident here.

You are getting sweary with another Bluemoon user, why? Because he's an idiot? No. Because he shares the opinions of the experts employed by the club who also disagree with you.

How have I lost? It's a simple question, it's a simple thread.

3 teams have near identical defensive records, only one team is regularly ridiculed for their defence. That is unfair, not an opinion, a fact.

Unfair; disproportionate; undue; beyond what is properor fitting: an unfair share.

Do you or do you not think that we get a 'disproportionate, undue or an unfair share' amount of ridicule for our defending compared to our rivals whom are statistically very similar?
 
There is pretty much nothing wrong with the post you have quoted. I stand by it re George Evans, which has nothing to do with this thread. See how you are now hijacking this thread in order to have a go at me, after preaching to others about staying on topic ? Nothing to do with the o.p. is it ? Lost it haven't you ?

If you read what i posted re Sane, you will find that is completely different too.

The censors banned me for a slight swearword connected with you last time you did this, so I'm not rising to it, as they will probably back you again.

I think you have something wrong with you.

Ha I love that, what was the 'slight swearword' out of interest?

But back to the thread. It seems our defenders are mainly very solid but always look like they've got a major mistake in them. I think Otamendi is due a red card sooner rather than later with his rash playing style. Mangala always worries me when he's got the ball at his feet and has time to think. Demichiles is obviously very slow so against a speedy forward you always fear the worst. Then even captain fantastic himself, Vinnie is very aggressive in his play which is obviously a trait that has made him so successful and such a legend, however playing such an aggressive game makes susceptible to getting caught out of position and looking a bit stupid.
 
I don't give a flying if other clubs aren't getting the same criticism. All I care about is how easy it is sometimes to create good chances against us with simple passes. Or players running through our midfield unchallenged by anything more than a half hearted wave of a leg. Or Comedy Goals from throw ins.

It's a bloody good job Hart is in great form or we could have dropped a few crucial points recently.
 
The defence is persistently highlighted as our weak spot because that's exactly what it is. Teams can get at us because our centre halves play too far apart and MDM in particular is far too slow to get back if he makes a mistake. Otamendi gets dragged out of position too easily and is prone to diving in which then creates space for attacking midfielders to drive into. Of course this would all be irrelevant if Vinny was in the team as he is an organiser and a leader. For today's match I would definitely have Sagna in place of MDM but don't think MP will drop his trusted player. Anyway, a couple more weeks and we're likely to be able to pick 2 from 4 centre halves, at which point the media will then focus on targeting other areas of our team. Had our defence been solid this season we would be 5 or 6 points ahead, but that just wouldn't be City and I'm looking forward to the media eating their words tonight when we are top of the pile.
 
Our defence isn't our problem. It's our defending as a team that sees us doing worse than we should be, especially when we're not having as much possession as we do at home when we travel away.

Look at some of our goals that our defence is blamed for and you can say well Kun and Sterling could have put pressure on that defender with the ball there and Fernandinho and Silva could have shut down the alley for that man's passing option too but, no, we just jog around allowing team to pretty much do what they want. Two or three passes from the 'keeper and a team can be on the edge of our box. It's actually a compliment to our defenders that we haven't conceded too many goals because they've cleared or tackled well to stop it.

As a team, from this manager's instruction, or lack of it, we are so slack at defending. It's not our defence's fault! It's not Yaya Touré's fault! It's the manager's fault!
 
"Comfortably beaten by Juventus twice"? I'm guessing you either didn't watch either game or you are just using this frankly lazy 'fact' to back up your point.

At home vs Juventus, we had 60% possession. Hart made one save to Buffon's five. We had 8 corners to their one.

Away was much the same story. 60/40 possession. More attempts and 8 corners to their two. Had Sterling not missed the easiest chance by far in both ties, we have drawn both at worst.


Our defence only rightly gets the 'flak it deserves' if the flak is similar to that of United and Arsenal. As it doesn't, the arguement isn't balanced. If there were blanket statements like the top 6 are all shocking at the back, that would be fair and balanced.

My bet, PFA team of the year defence will be Cech/De Gea. Bellarin/Clyne Smalling, Koscielny and Monreal/Fuchs.

All those players play in a defence that come the end of the season will have conceded more or very similar to us.

Yet, we've been ridiculed, is that not the op's point?

But my point is our defence has been crucial to results - we had all the possession, corners etc which is fine but we lost both games? The ruthlessness in Europe will always kill us whilst our defence cannot defend, it was exactly the same against Barcelona last year. It's fine when we have the ball all of the time and that is probably how we haven't conceded more but the second we play a good team we get into deep trouble and all of our problems become very clear. Look at the Liverpool game, we had virtually none of the ball and because of this our defence got absolutely ripped apart over and over again, do the best defences normally lose 4-1 at home?

It is worrying that the more dangerous teams we have played so far we have mostly lost against, more often than not it has been due to defensive errors and a poor approach to defending. We have lost to Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and drawn at Leicester and United. That is zero wins against any of the top 6 and also we have 1 point in 6 against West Ham. Convert any of them losses to draws with better defending and we are top of the league by a country mile - at the moment we aren't far off but we should be a million times more comfortable.

On the league table we aren't doing so badly and it would appear we aren't conceding as many but Leicester have only lost twice and that is the reason they are top. We need to really batter them today but I worry massively about the key battles with a slow Demichelis against a pacey player like Vardy and a slow Kolarov against Mahrez... Any other time would setup to counter this but I can guarantee we will not and that is why we are 2nd and Leicester are top at the minute.

At the minute every game is becoming a case of whether we can outscore the other team and that surely means our defence and it's protection is a big problem? I seriously doubt we will end up as the least conceded team, all of the 3 teams below us are better and 1 of them has scored more too.
 
I don't think so. I think our defence is an absolute shambles given the amount spent on it. We can play against literally any other team and I wouldn't be confident in us keeping a clean sheet.
 
We are chronic at the back. Demechelis has been pathetic again today. Utterly embarrassing !
 

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