Bersant Celina and the EDS lads...

Imo, the way it tends to work with kids is that irrespective of talent, some can do it & some can't.

It could be that most of the really super talented kids in the current older group, can't produce it when they get to the first team level & some of the not quite so talented ones actually thrive on it & therefore become top players. Some may find that their tricks don't work against adult defenders & they are squashed, but go away, learn some new ones, or to do them quicker & come back. Others may lose heart, lose their edge & slide into obscurity (that is the biggest reason some top kids don't make it imo).

One thing i am absolutely certain of, is that the theme often quoted on here, that there are people who can just look at these kids in training & go 'ah he will do it, but he won't' is absolute horseshit.

Of course if a kid really has not got enough talent, it's likely he isn't going to do it, but 95% of our kids have serious talent. The question is what happens when he tries to d it at firt team level. Then, & only then, you find out if there is anything to work on, & still even then, you don't know for sure. Some are a flash in the pan, some are late developers.

It could be that Brandon Barker ends up playing for Stockport & Kean Bryan ends up playing in a champs Lg final for City, even though Brandon is clearly more talented as a pure footballer. Or alternatively, he might end up the next Gareth Bale. It will take quite a while to find that out for sure. But the only way to find out, is time on the pitch at first team level. We are way way behind schedule on that & reading Stuart Brennan's piece in the MEN re Pep & kids, it suggests that the club are as disappointed in Pellegrini in that regard, as some of us have frequently suggested on here.

Chucking kids in now, when the shit is hitting the fan, is NOT how we should be operating, we should already know which ones are most likely to cope. We don't have the slightest idea on any of them.
 
I get the idea that some players blossom quicker, whilst others drift and fade. After all, who would have predicted David White being the first of the 86 Youth Cup Winners to play for England?

However, that debate is normally reserved for those players coming out of the traditional U18 teams (Fowler, Owen, Ferdinand, and Rooney being the notable exceptions)

What I don’t get is that players such as Angelino, Celina and Barker, are roughly the same age as Borthwick Jackson at United.

These lads are mostly in the 19/20 bracket, and are supposedly our more promising players, yet only seem to appear in the last ten minutes of games that have already been decided. Meanwhile the rag starts in a vital league match at Stamford Bridge.

Would Pellegrini have risked Denayer with all our defensive injuries? We’ll never know, but Denayer will be 21 in June.
 
The problem now is that Pellegrini doesn't have the same motivation to play the youngsters as he won't be here to see them develop. He's more likely to play the experienced ones out of position.
 
Watching liverpools kids boss a very strong West Ham team around makes me want to see ours even more! Throw in 2-3 vs Spurs and give it ago.
 
Watching liverpools kids boss a very strong West Ham team around makes me want to see ours even more! Throw in 2-3 vs Spurs and give it ago.
That Liverpool team was about as full of "kids" as a United U21 side. Most of them were just 21-23 year olds who'd been out on a series of loans after never getting a chance at Liverpool, who are now counting down the days for their contracts to end so they can join a new club and start their careers properly. (I know it doesn't particularly relate to this discussion, but still)
 
The problem now is that Pellegrini doesn't have the same motivation to play the youngsters as he won't be here to see them develop. He's more likely to play the experienced ones out of position.

I wonder if our season peters out anymore that he might just say "fuck it" and stick some kids in regularly tbh.
 
The problem now is that Pellegrini doesn't have the same motivation to play the youngsters as he won't be here to see them develop. He's more likely to play the experienced ones out of position.

Or now he doesn't have anything to lose because he knows he is leaving, doesn't have the huge pressure to win everything and can finally play them.

Since he found out he was losing his job, he's started giving Iheanacho starts, he's played Celina and now he's talking about playing the kids in the FA cup.
 
The only good thing about yesterday was the performance of Bersant Celina who came on as sub for the last 15 mins. He turned the whole game on it's head. His play led to three good chances including the header Aguero scored from.
As a result he should start against Spurs. It is the only way our 'stars' WILL understand that they only way they get to start regularly is to play well.
100 %
 
Because it will destroy the kids' confidence!?
Not with the right man-management it wouldn't. They know perfectly well what the situation is, and they're eager to draw first blood. If a bad game and some cunts booing destroy them they haven't got the right stuff anyways.
 
With Navas, Silva & De Bruyne all out Barker needs to be given a proper chance in the team. He's far too good to be playing U21 football now.
 
(1) Slot one into a winning team then, and if that team loses it could still kill a kid's confidence.
(2) They have to play at sometime, so when? What about the old adage "If he's good enough then he's old enough".

1 - nowhere near as bad as a pummeling off quality opposition such as spurs
2 - I'd prefer it not to be when we're on the ropes and playing in a game we might not be able to lose against an in form spurs team

Agree that if they're good enough then they're old enough, which is why sterling plays. How do you know the youngsters are good enough? Bersant looked good on Saturday but playing him against spurs would be a HUGE gamble. Iheanacho is our best bet from the kids and he has stank the place out the last two games
 
1 - nowhere near as bad as a pummeling off quality opposition such as spurs
2 - I'd prefer it not to be when we're on the ropes and playing in a game we might not be able to lose against an in form spurs team

Agree that if they're good enough then they're old enough, which is why sterling plays. How do you know the youngsters are good enough? Bersant looked good on Saturday but playing him against spurs would be a HUGE gamble. Iheanacho is our best bet from the kids and he has stank the place out the last two games
And there we have the problem that no-one will face up to. If the team are contesting for trophies then this manager will not take a chance with any younger player, not for that players potential failings but instead because the manager is/was fearful of the sack. And if the team are falling short, again he will opt for experience over youth in a desperate move to save his own skin again. Now that we are almost running on empty it looks like Pellegrini will have to bite the bullet and resort to picking those kids he has only been too willing to ignore.
 
With Navas, Silva & De Bruyne all out Barker needs to be given a proper chance in the team. He's far too good to be playing U21 football now.
I agree, there's no way of knowing if he's good enough at this level if he doesn't play. Especially with so many games coming up in Feb, it's unlikely he'd be any less useful than Navas.
 
I agree, there's no way of knowing if he's good enough at this level if he doesn't play. Especially with so many games coming up in Feb, it's unlikely he'd be any less useful than Navas.

A ridiculous thing to say regarding Navas
 

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