Although the figure is completely made up I certainly agree with the sentiment of this point.
I have worked around the public sector for a number of years. I just couldn't imagine a lot of the people ive worked with in a 'proper job'.
The public sector is vast, from doctors and teachers down to pencil pushers working in the local council office. I'm sure there's lots of decent hard working people in there, but most I've come across have been fuckin useless
Maybe that's because direction and management is 'clueless.' And the never ending policy changes without proper training is ridiculous, ill thought through and woefully inadequate.
And I've seen a few join us in middle management roles from the private sector in recent years, and they can't hack it either.
You are talking about 30 years ago.There are droves of people working in the public sector who lack ambition and drive.
How do you motivate someone who you can't offer any financial incentives to, you can't threaten them with dismissal unless they do something that can be considered 'gross misconduct'?
They're untouchable and they know it.
It must be a nightmare to manage a workforce like that. Plus the managers are probably of the same ilk too!
Just like most jobs then?
I think teachers get a fair trade off in terms of working hours and holidays for having to put up with hoards of little shits. It isn't for me but I'd wager several of them wouldn't be happy doing what I do.
I do find teachers one of the whinier groups though. They knew the pros and cons before they signed up and a lot have the air of 'well you wouldn't understand because you're not a teacher'. So holier than thou.
So bonkers women making a meal of it. Thought as much. (Awaits Karen)
That has no relevance to what we are talking about whatsoever. You should have tried harder at school.
Are you?
You seem a bit erascible to me.
When do you think it went to the dogs? I noticed the teachers in my family (similar timeframe to you) putting in more and more out of hours time from around the mid-eighties onwards. By the '90s /2000's lots of teachers seemed to be jumping ship early on medical grounds, and in many cases with a reduced pension just to stay sane.I signed up in '68, title year! I retired in '09! The job was vastly different from what I signed up to!
One Monday morning I was waiting behind a young teacher using the photocopier. She asked me if I had been in during half term. I told her that I didn't come in during the holidays since they nicked the week's holiday off us. She didn't understand. I said we used to have 14 weeks and now it was down to 13 weeks. We got £600 for losing the week's holiday. A one-off of £600. That turned out, for me, until I retired, as twenty-three weeks work for £600! Under £30 for a week's work!
Not sure what you reckon my job is but that certainly isn't it!Fucking marketing?? Must be a real hard slog designing all them leaflets and mithering people over the phone to buy shit they don't want.
When do you think it went to the dogs? I noticed the teachers in my family (similar timeframe to you) putting in more and more out of hours time from around the mid-eighties onwards. By the '90s /2000's lots of teachers seemed to be jumping ship early on medical grounds, and in many cases with a reduced pension just to stay sane.
You do know financial motivation isn't the only driver for being successful don't you?There are droves of people working in the public sector who lack ambition and drive.
How do you motivate someone who you can't offer any financial incentives to, you can't threaten them with dismissal unless they do something that can be considered 'gross misconduct'?
They're untouchable and they know it.
It must be a nightmare to manage a workforce like that. Plus the managers are probably of the same ilk too!
You do know financial motivation isn't the only driver for being successful don't you?
Not sure what you reckon my job is but that certainly isn't it!
Motivation is not just about money but attaching a greater significance to the purpose that is bigger than the person themselves.How do you motivate someone who you can't offer any financial incentives to, you can't threaten them with dismissal unless they do something that can be considered 'gross misconduct'?
The Tory Scum have played some people on here like the proverbial....
Because teachers have good holidays (apparently) that doesn't mean teachers are taking the piss. And if people from the private sector are annoyed they get played cockall have pisss poor pensions, limited rights, and are struggling to make ends meet as their company owner drives home in a posh car, goes on 4 holidays a year, privately educates their kids etc (i know, I've been there) then they should unionize and get it sorted out. The one sector that hasnt capitulated should be worshipped. But bottom line NOBODY is doing well. Teachers arnt rich..... They struggle to get by like everyone else. We should cut out the petty jealousy, cut out the infighting.. .. get together, back each other's causes because you know what. WE are not the problem. WE don't hold the wealth, it's the top 5 percent who are the problem. They hold 60 percent of the wealth .They want us to fight it out and keep our eyes off them. They are playing us like the proverbial....
The Tory Scum have played some people on here like the proverbial....
Because teachers have good holidays (apparently) that doesn't mean teachers are taking the piss. And if people from the private sector are annoyed they get played cockall have pisss poor pensions, limited rights, and are struggling to make ends meet as their company owner drives home in a posh car, goes on 4 holidays a year, privately educates their kids etc (i know, I've been there) then they should unionize and get it sorted out [1]. The one sector that hasnt capitulated should be worshipped. But bottom line NOBODY is doing well. Teachers arnt rich..... They struggle to get by like everyone else [2]. We should cut out the petty jealousy, cut out the infighting.. .. get together, back each other's causes because you know what. WE are not the problem. WE don't hold the wealth, it's the top 5 percent who are the problem. They hold 60 percent of the wealth [3].They want us to fight it out and keep our eyes off them. They are playing us like the proverbial [4]....
Very good post.
Absolute nonsense post. Back in work in case you were worried.
...are the right answers.1) Nobody has limited rights - we all have the same. If those rights are being ignored, there are other alternatives to using a union. If you do not like the pay, go somewhere that pays better rather than holding the employer to ransom.
2) Teachers are not rich (although some are very well paid), but they are not poor either. Their pay is pretty good, and the conditions are excellent. If they struggle to get by, they should look at their management of their personal finances.
3) They also pay most of the tax.
4) No they don't. The vast majority of us are happy with our lot, and couldn't give a toss what others are earning.