Well no. Just because someone had a job for 8 months or whatever doesn't mean he has 15 years management experience winning a variety of trophies. Your correct in that he won the Champions league...but did he buy any of those players?No Di Matteo is one of the best managers in the world? That's how it works right?
I'm not trying to slate Pellers btw but come on.
I'd be interested for you both to take that argument further & explain for us who don't understand, how Pellegrini's tactics have evolved & how Pep's tactics v Atletico were to blame for last night's result.
But let's face it.
It's not going to happen from either of you is it ?
Dunno if this was meant for me but thought I'd reply as I put the earlier opinion in the thread about how I thought Pellers would have been ripped to shreds on here if he had overseen a defeat like Bayern's last night.
The point I was making is that I think some people over react against Pellers and see Guardiola as someone who will undoubtedly bring us unlimited success by correcting all Pellers inadequacies. My own view is both positions are incorrect.
To your specific question re Pep's tactics then maybe have a gander at comments on today's Bayern forum. Their "fans" are as over reacting to Pep as some of ours are to Pellers.
How many of these points do we recognise - and these are said by Bayern fans (if my German is reliable enough)
1. He picked the wrong team (eg Alonso and Bernat in, Muller out)
2. He played a formation with players out of position (eg Alaba in centre defence)
3. He couldn't adjust his tactics to cope with Athletico's approach
4. He's bought shit (their words) players (they seem to like the phrase Spanish shits)
5. He hasn't instilled a fighting mentality. The players are soft.
6. He's set the players back , eg turned Lewandowski from a great player to an average one.
7. His record in CL games is crap and he's not shown he can adjust - "it's like a recurring nightmare- having to watch the same movie again and again"
8. The team has regressed since he came.
9. The players don't understand his approach
10. Tiki taka shit - all we do is play in a big fucking U shape.
Made me laugh - could have come straight from the pages of Bluemoon.
So he was signed by Txiki? Cheers. I've even got you agreeing with me.
Dunno if this was meant for me but thought I'd reply as I put the earlier opinion in the thread about how I thought Pellers would have been ripped to shreds on here if he had overseen a defeat like Bayern's last night.
The point I was making is that I think some people over react against Pellers and see Guardiola as someone who will undoubtedly bring us unlimited success by correcting all Pellers inadequacies. My own view is both positions are incorrect.
To your specific question re Pep's tactics then maybe have a gander at comments on today's Bayern forum. Their "fans" are as over reacting to Pep as some of ours are to Pellers.
How many of these points do we recognise - and these are said by Bayern fans (if my German is reliable enough)
1. He picked the wrong team (eg Alonso and Bernat in, Muller out)
2. He played a formation with players out of position (eg Alaba in centre defence)
3. He couldn't adjust his tactics to cope with Athletico's approach
4. He's bought shit (their words) players (they seem to like the phrase Spanish shits)
5. He hasn't instilled a fighting mentality. The players are soft.
6. He's set the players back , eg turned Lewandowski from a great player to an average one.
7. His record in CL games is crap and he's not shown he can adjust - "it's like a recurring nightmare- having to watch the same movie again and again"
8. The team has regressed since he came.
9. The players don't understand his approach
10. Tiki taka shit - all we do is play in a big fucking U shape.
Made me laugh - could have come straight from the pages of Bluemoon.
Great post and I look forward to reading what the Pep will take us to the next level posters will make of it
There's a lot of 'ifs' 'I believe' 'I think' and 'For me's' in their fella.No, this is my point. I think the football we often see. Our squad heavy with technically gifted but physically limited players is down to a combination of the two.
An idea from the top being implemented by someone who fancies another way. Meeting somewhere in the middle. For me, Pellegrini has instructions from the top and he's trying to balance his own ideas with those of his employers and we're getting something in the middle.
I believe there is a instruction from above to play football the right way, always look to score and dominate possession. I believe Pellegrini is under pressure to deliver this.
I don't believe we have the squad good enough to do this. I think Pellegrini is doing his upmost to forefil the club's philosophy(excuse the word) but it's not always the best way to win.
If indeed you are right, if Pellegrini does want yo play 442, why the fuck have we only got two senior strikers? That is a total contradiction.
If Pellegrini wants to play 442 he hasn't got the squad. Why not? So that to me is clear evidence of Txiki influencing the squad. Influencing the manager. If Txiki wants to load the midfield, keep possession he's not signing the right players. Sterling & De Bruyne can be criminally liberal with the ball. FERNANDO and Delph limited on the ball.
So, if Pellegrini wants to play 442, why have we only got two senior strikers?
Easy, look at what the previous manager did with a less talented squad and let's see what the next manager does with this squad and then we can draw a more than fair comparison as to what can be done with the players available us.If he wants to play 2 in midfield, why have we got just one player suited to it? If Txiki wants us to play a 433 high press possession based game, why have we just spent £54 million on a traditional number 10 who's liberal in possession and average at best when it comes to pressing
For me the answer is obvious, between the two, Txiki and Pellegrini are trying to find a common ground. It's not ideal for either.
I hope we don't win it. Having to put a star on our badge do soon after we removed three of the fuckers would be hugely embarrassing.That's quite an accusation. How widespread do you feel the problem of City fans actively hoping we don't win the Champions League this season is?
I've already said I believe Sterling & DeBruyne were signed with Pep in mind, with Pellegrini's agreement of course, & said a 'maybe' on Mangala. No manager in their right mind, would turn down DeBruyne, certainly not Pellegrini who ran him into the ground early season because he didn't want to start even a League Cup game without him.
I also listed all the other players who I believe were signed specifically for Pellegrini including Bony & Otamendi, basically everyone else.
He has the players to play any system ever known, including a fantastic group of kids, but just uses the one, only difference being whether he picks a striker or an attacking mid as one of his front 2. So we have 442 or 4411 with two wide players & two centre mids, even Delph & Fernandinho have been played wide to shoehorn into his system.
There is a video from his earlier days in Spain, of him showing his two variations, which plenty of people on here watched before he arrived. Same exact plan now, every game. He also says that he can't do anything once the players step over the line. Again true.
We will see next season that DeBruyne doesn't have to play behind the striker or on the wing.
No doubt there will be some who claim the system is the same one & DeBruyne is playing in the same role & produce maps to prove it.
You're not one then ?
That figures.
There's a lot of 'ifs' 'I believe' 'I think' and 'For me's' in their fella.
So I suppose Messi, Xavi, Iniesta et al are all physical powerhouses then?
So again you're saying that Txiki telling the media City want to play entertaining attacking football is him also telling Manuel how to coach the team, pick the team, decide on tactics? Is this ITK facts or just your opinion?
If memory serves me right we used to be able to do this with a much weaker squad, are you saying this has now been eroded over the last 3 years? Sorry but its utmost and fulfill.
Dunno ask Manuel, he's the manager and he didn't seem to have a problem with it.
Like I said, there's a lot of 'if's' in there fella. But ultimately, you play the hand you're dealt and that is what ANY manager in ANY business does. How you see this as 'clear evidence' that Txiki is influencing the squad and the manager is beyond me. When Manuel's squad was being 'influenced' at Real, he made his feelings quite plain and was very vocal about this, has he mellowed since he came here? Is Txiki to blame for some of the strange team selections, substitutions, formations and tactics we've seen from Manuel or have you now shifted your position to now say the strange team selections, substitutions, formations and tactics have been made by Manuel because he's being forced to fulfill his DoF's philosophical criterion against his wishes?
Deja vu........
Easy, look at what the previous manager did with a less talented squad and let's see what the next manager does with this squad and then we can draw a more than fair comparison as to what can be done with the players available us.
Deja vu again, but suffice to say YET AGAIN you play the hand you're dealt and considering the shit squads we've had in our recent history I and many others believe we have more than enough talent available to us as opposed to you believing our squad is not fit for purpose and that it's all Txiki's fault. Manuel has been here long enough to mold the squad to his own liking and to adapt to whatever limitations you may perceive and most Premier League managers would just LOVE to have Manuel's squad problems.
Yep, and they'll be those that have all the information put in front of them yet still ignore it.
http://www.football365.com/news/de-bruyne-pfa-player-of-the-next-year
Clearly a centre forwards role.......
A DOF buying some players, a manager buying others. What could possibly go wrong?
Imagine suggesting that two people selecting the players for one team may not be ideal.
You dont have a view then
I could have sworn I just posted it in this very thread.
You did, but I wasn't about to rise to your bait, so we will leave it at that
Bait ?
You seem to be suggesting you are not one of those people who thinks Pep will take the club up a level. Is this the case or were you just taking a cheap shot at those who don't rate Pellegrini ?
Yawn.
I hope we don't win it. Having to put a star on our badge do soon after we removed three of the fuckers would be hugely embarrassing.
Why do you keep pretending I have ever said DeBruyne is playing cf ? I've made it clear where I think DeBruyne plays & it's on record, on here.
I don't need a heat map to tell me he moves around, it is one of his assets. DeBruyne playing there will be different to Silva or Nasri playing there & less static thsn Bony or Dzeko. But I also don't need a heat map to tell me that when the oppp bring the ball out, he will be next to Aguero as one of the 'two' exactly where Dzeko would be. Then there will be two wide players & two centre mids.
Same basic formation varied by the type of player used. Striker =more static, midfielder= moves around more. Lose the ball though & we form up with 2 upfront pretending to press, 2 wide players 2 centre mids. Every time.
Eagle? I always thought it was a slightly rude chicken.As long as we bring the eagle back I'm happy.