and It's Michael again...

The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Mangala no penalty v WBA. Fernandinho no penalty v Palace for this year.
Back to 2014. Won 1-5 at Spurs. Dawson had a perfectly good equaliser chalked off. Danny Rose sent off and gave away a penalty. Red card overturned. Sterling 'offside' playing for the dippers, City go on and win and win title by two points.
City have also been awarded the most penalties over the last five years. Think we've had one given against us this season and no red cards. Yet more evidence of refs doing their best to derail the City train.
It is swings and roundabouts, you win some you lose some. Do they make mistakes? Of coarse they do. Are they corrupt? I suspect not.
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You will be accused of being on the wind up in a minute mate.
 
dom said:
Mike dean will do for me.. generally a fair ref
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I would just like to add the link that Vinny tweeted on football tournament based in Belgium drawing upon a rugby ethos

can anyone help with the linky thing?

No whinging at the ref..
Only captains are allowed to be the conduit
No fookin faking injuries etc etc..
 
Dax777 said:
When you make an accusation quote the portion so we know what you are talking about.

By the way, read the definitions again. Especially the underlined portion. Should clear things up for you.
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"Makeup calls are a form of cheating" were your exact words. You then describe the Sterling handball as "poor refereeing", not cheating, when it has been proven to be a made up decision.

Would you like me to draw you a picture?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Mangala no penalty v WBA. Fernandinho no penalty v Palace for this year.
Back to 2014. Won 1-5 at Spurs. Dawson had a perfectly good equaliser chalked off. Danny Rose sent off and gave away a penalty. Red card overturned. Sterling 'offside' playing for the dippers, City go on and win and win title by two points.
City have also been awarded the most penalties over the last five years. Think we've had one given against us this season and no red cards. Yet more evidence of refs doing their best to derail the City train.
It is swings and roundabouts, you win some you lose some. Do they make mistakes? Of course they do. Are they corrupt? I suspect not.
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So that's three decisions in our favour this season before you go back to 2014, congratulations.
 
fatbloke said:
"Makeup calls are a form of cheating" were your exact words. You then describe the Sterling handball as "poor refereeing", not cheating, when it has been proven to be a made up decision.

Would you like me to draw you a picture?
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And where was this proven? You didn't think you were going to sneak that in undetected, did you?
 
worsleyweb said:
My eyes are fine when i have the galsses on.

So do we sack then all? I find it comical that I am accused of wumming for saying I think the standard is good and always has been in this country. shows a very blinkered view and paranoia to think there is an agenda against us by referees. No wonder young lads are put off doing it. I couldn't tell you who has refereed a particular match this season fro us apart from Clattenburg v Spurs because everyone has gone on about it. Couldn't tell you who it was v Arsenal last week and I was there. It just doesn't interest or effect me or the game. I am glad I am not one of those tits who says - "oh bloody hell we have got Dean today, we will get nothing".

We are not at our best this season just like the referees in your opinion its called life - ups and downs in everything.
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That is your opinion mate but I disagree and I'm glad to hear your eyes are ok. I'm not using the refs as an excuse for city's performances this season but you can see how the strange decisions and lack of protection for our players can have an impact on confidence and players morale.
 
I don't think he likes/favours us a club, but I have never suspected Mike Dean of corruption in his decisions, (unlike Clattenburg!). For such a huge game I take comfort in that. How Clattenburg has managed to be awarded the CL final, makes you question the integrity of the game's decision makers.
 
fatbloke said:
So that's three decisions in our favour this season before you go back to 2014, congratulations.
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If you're anything like me, whilst at the game, almost all the opposition get away with obvious fouls, we get away with none, they score goals/have gilt edged chances, which anyone can see is offside. All our bookings are harsh but they get away with murder. Afterwards, watching the 55 minute sky game, it rarely looks anything like as clear cut as I remembered. Funnily enough, fans of every club feel the same.
As for me going back into history, 2014 isn't an arbitrary choice. You've proclaimed that there's an agenda/bias/systematic cheating going on but 2014 suggests, if anything, the exact opposite. Mourinho complained that we got every decision, Arsenal fans complained because we'd become the new media darlings and got all the decisions that the rags used to get. Now, I don't subscribe to any of that, but I also don't buy-in to they're all out to get us.
I think they make mistakes, like everyone else in life. There are 150 000 road accidents a year in the uk and over 93% are as a result of driver error. Now, unless people are deliberately driving around aiming to crash they would be the result of error, misjudgement, seeing something that didn't exist and not seeing that did exist.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
If you're anything like me, whilst at the game, almost all the opposition get away with obvious fouls, we get away with none, they score goals/have gilt edged chances, which anyone can see is offside. All our bookings are harsh but they get away with murder. Afterwards, watching the 55 minute sky game, it rarely looks anything like as clear cut as I remembered. Funnily enough, fans of every club feel the same.
As for me going back into history, 2014 isn't an arbitrary choice. You've proclaimed that there's an agenda/bias/systematic cheating going on but 2014 suggests, if anything, the exact opposite. Mourinho complained that we got every decision, Arsenal fans complained because we'd become the new media darlings and got all the decisions that the rags used to get. Now, I don't subscribe to any of that, but I also don't buy-in to they're all out to get us.
I think they make mistakes, like everyone else in life. There are 150 000 road accidents a year in the uk and over 93% are as a result of driver error. Now, unless people are deliberately driving around aiming to crash they would be the result of error, misjudgement, seeing something that didn't exist and not seeing that did exist.
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Comparing refereeing to car crashes is about right.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
Doesn't take away anything from our comeback, he could have screwed us or not done his job properly, after everything that had been thrown at us and handed to the Rags that season it was welcome that in the big game he played it fair and I think it did help a little.
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Playing it fair, being impartial and doing his job correctly = "trying to help us"?

What?

This what we come to expect now? Not getting shat on and getting a fair ref equals "trying to help us"?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I don't agree for one minute that he tried to help us in any way. But, imagine if it had been the other way round and the rags had scored two in injury time to win it, what would you have thought about him then?
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I wouldn't have thought anything about him because if I'd watched the game I'd have known that the added time given was fair, and that the winning goal came well within said added time.

I'd have no feelings about the added time, only anger at the rags typically scraping a winner in added time.

Let's not try and make this into something it isn't.
 
I really don't believe referees have an agenda. It's their livelihood and they have to try to get it right. It's the incompetent ones like Oliver that I worry about .. and that bastard Mason creature.
 
If there are some match going City fans who really do think the refereeing standard in this country is first class and that they do their job well and without incompetence and/or bias towards us then I don't know whether to laud them for their mild mannered nature or seriously question their judgement.

To say that Clattenberg has refereed us in anything but a biased and incompetent manner ever since he was in charge of the 6-1 in any game of note then I would have to say it is their judgement which is seriously flawed. Around 10 times he has been in charge of us in what you would call a big game and we have won NONE of them and each of the games had decisions which smacked of a negative inconsistency towards us and/or a bias against us.

Dean on the other hand seems to referee without any kind of influence and that in my opinion would be why I consider him to be one of the better referee's. I'm not sure I could say the same with the majority of recent referee's and the fact that a lot of important decisions are soon to be reviewed during the game that can only be a good thing.

In a nutshell referee's in this country are not first class and they do not do what I would call a good job.
 
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